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By: barbara ruth

barbara ruth — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:32:06 +0000

While walking around Jerusalem this summer I asked an Arab passerby about the cemetery. He told me it was an old Muslim cemetery and modern Jerusalem had grown up around it. He told me some of the similarities between Jewish and Muslim burial customs. He used the words “our customs” so I realized he was a Muslim Arab.

I asked him about the Waldorf Astoria Hotel under construction right across the street. The man explained that it was using the exterior of an old hotel, and that it had been built on part of the cemetery! When I expressed surprse, he said it was an old cemetery, no longer in use, and that the builders of the original hotel had been Arabs! The real abomination here is Gehry’s attrocious design!

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By: Monty

Monty — Fri, 13 May 2011 09:52:54 +0000

i dont know what to say.. this isnt so bad.. we can always do something.. Muslims arent so bad.. you should understand that s.. they are just like you me and everyone.. Big guy

By: speedzter

speedzter — Fri, 13 May 2011 06:38:51 +0000

if building a museum of tolerance on a centuries-old muslim cemetery is what the wiesenthal center calls tolerance, then i’m afraid i’ve lost respect for them. forget the whole site and build the museum somewhere else.

By: Rob Prince

Rob Prince — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:56:23 +0000

thanks for the piece.
am writing something up on this. there is a denver connection – the c.e.o. – i believe this is his title – of the Wiesenthal Center is one Larry Mizel – whoes MDL Associates was once the largest builder of residential homes in the country. Mizel was pushing the project from behind the scenes.
what ia wondering about is if there is any documented info on the major donors. Am wondering if you or any of your readers might steer me to some sources on this.
cheers. rob prince/denver

By: David Sucher

David Sucher — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:53:26 +0000

This article is unclear whether the site has been a religious site or not. So maybe the hyper-ventilating about Israel, fascism, Likud, and all the other fantasies could work through the facts and calm the shrieks.

I wish Tablet — which I do like so much — could tighten up the facts, especially when issues are so contentious. It’s destructive to create sound and fury when no one can read about the facts and details. The high court (I assume it would be capitalized?) could have offered some more exact quotes. And so much of the article has specific design criticism which seems to have nothing to do with the history of the site but confuse matters.

As to more museums, I am generally dubious, especially with such an inchoate theme as “tolerance.”

And as to Frank Gehry as a designer, even more dubious.

By: Jesus Martin

Jesus Martin — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:12:49 +0000

This is a museum. A place were rare artifacts are displayed so people can see what they look like.

What a better place to build it! Tolerance is long gone in Israel. I wonder how visitors will react if they see tolerance.

By: RWordplay

RWordplay — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:29:43 +0000

I would like to see the Water Treatment Plant of Tolerance, or the New Hospital of Tolerance. The notion of a Museum of Tolerance strikes me as an absurd to the nth degree, almost incomprehensible; understandable only in terms of the self-regard of its founders.
As for for the appropriateness of the site: When one remembers the Arab/Muslim desecration of Jewish Cemeteries in East Jerusalem and the pain it caused the Jewish community, one would think the Israelis would show a bit more sensitivity.

By: Unknown

Unknown — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:45:31 +0000

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By: Gabrielle

Gabrielle — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:42:29 +0000

I’m with Wisdo–bui|d it on an even more ironic site. Perhaps in the West Bank, and make sure it’s fenced off and that the roads that go to it can on|y be used by Jews, protected by sniper towers.

Good times.

By: PilgrimSoul

PilgrimSoul — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:18:53 +0000

I believe that Hier and the Wiesenthal Center knew exactly what it was doing when it chose this venue. Their politics are openly Likudnik, neo-conservative, and in some cases neo-fascist. Their sponsorship of the Islamophobic film Obsession and their showing of it at their site in Los Angeles should tell us everything we need to know about their vulgarity and their divisiveness.

The Wiesenthal Center was a deliberate attempt to demoralize the Palestinians, who within Israel are today very much second-class citizens, and whose appeals for justice from the Israeli judiciary are routinely denied.
It is a great victory for all who support a two-state solution that many people working together, Jews, Palestinians, and Americans, have been able to stop the deliberate provocation of the Wiesenthal Center.

Rather than another neo-con fantasy, what is needed is for responsible people to reclaim this site for the reasons it was originally established, to make this site as one holy and special to Muslims. Of course, this is not easy, as the requests of Palestinians to build anything are almost always dismissed. Efforts of Palestinians to return to their villages, for example, usually result in attacks by Shin Bet and others, if they return in groups of more than three. But we should continue the non-violent struggle through vigils, occasional demonstrations, letter-writing, and legal appeals.

The site must be reclaimed by Muslim people in this part of the Middle East. This in no way will threaten Jews and Christians living in the area if it is done quietly, firmly, non-violently and without provocation.

By: samg

samg — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:54:05 +0000

By: Marisa

Marisa — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:38:03 +0000

Related situation: if one of the ancient Jewish cemeteries in Europe was slated to be used to build a “Museum of Tolerance,” and if the authorities argued that it was fine because Jews hadn’t been using it for the last 60 years, what would our response be?

Regardless of past events, the question should be “what is the best thing we could possibly do now?” And in this case, I think the answer is: show their dead the respect we would show our own.

By: Suzanne Pomeranz

Suzanne Pomeranz — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:42:57 +0000

Okay – I have to expand on my original comments… First, as to the location. It was Hag Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who agreed, in the late 1920s, to “condemn” the site of the cemetery in order to build the Palace Hotel at the southern end of the same cemetery, financed by a consortium of Arab investors he led. That the Wakf (Muslim Trust) has now thrown about accusations against Israel for wanting to build anything on that plot is hypocrisy, short & simple. After all, there was a parking lot there for many, many years and nothing was said about that!
Second, it’s the IDEA of a Museum of Tolerance and that horrible DESIGN that I object to, NOT the location. There are other ways to spend money to get people together here and not in building ugly edifices.
By the way, with the proper permits, residents of the PA-controlled areas CAN visit Jerusalem. As well, Arab residents of Jerusalem and all throughout Israel are free to walk the streets of Jerusalem and all Israeli cities and enter any shop or office or museum as they like. Unfortunately, the opposite is NOT true as Jewish Israelis are NOT allowed to enter the PA territory and risk our lives if we attempt to do so.
What was that about TOLERANCE?

By: Ramallah is an isolated island of prosperity

Ramallah is an isolated island of prosperity — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:17:50 +0000

At a discussion about this a few months ago sponsored by IPCRI (the Israeli-Palestinian Center for Research and Information), in fact there was an offer from one of the Palestinians in the audience (Dr. Dajani) to DONATE enough dunams of land to build a big Museum of Tolerance — exactly along the line in the northern area of East Jerusalem where The Wall cuts through. The land, as I recall, was in Anata. That would avoid building on top of the Mamilla Cemetary, he said when he made the offer — but it would also mean that both Israelis and Palestinians would be able to visit it, which would not be the case if it were built in West Jerusalem. At least one of the lawyers involved in the Museum of Tolerance project was in the audience, and some other people associated with it, but no one snapped up the offer…

By: TNC

TNC — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:23:01 +0000

“A Museum of “Tolerance” built on top of a sacred Muslim cemetery? REALLY? REALLY, Israel? WTF?”

Yeah, it’s not like Muslims built a mosque on top of our holiest site or anything…

By: boredwell

boredwell — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:05:12 +0000

Frank! What was he thinking?! The cemetery is hallowed ground. Why disturb the dearly departed with the architectural equivalent of Golem!? I think Simon would not have approved, either.

By: Wisdo

Wisdo — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:00:12 +0000

Why dont they put up the museum of tolerance on part of the land the Wall runs through?

You know, for laughs.

By: yemach shemom

yemach shemom — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:56:33 +0000

I suppose that Israel can never do anything right.My father a holocaust survivor would say, never trust the other side I would say, dad were in a new era haaaaaaa I think father new best. don’t think you need a museum to show the intolerance they could have a wall put up with some of the comments so eloquently posted here that should be enough.

By: Fabian

Fabian — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:33:11 +0000

What part of Israel is better suited for it? Is there any place where somebody wouldn’t object to it? The only intolerant people here seem to be the ones that wrote the comments above.

By: Seymour Alexander

Seymour Alexander — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:15 +0000

The building’s ugliness would have reflected the nature of the state which has stolen Jerusalem and changed it from a beautiful contemplative city into a typical Israeli madhouse.

By: Regina

Regina — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:59:07 +0000

As a Los Angeles resident and visitor to both the Museum of Tolerance and Walt Disney Hall, I find it ridiculous for a project as worthy as a Museum of Tolerance to be entrusted to ultramodernist Gehry, and he has wisely withdrawn. First, if the Israelis do not show and practice tolerance, the proposed museum would be a travesty. Clearly, the current plan would desecrate a Muslim site and, by definition, it is not tolerant. Second, if a Museum of Tolerance is not designed with a dignified use of visual detail, which the L.A. institution exhibits, it becomes a travesty of its very purpose. Jews normally know and do better — this strikes me as an act of political spite, unworthy of Jews.

By: Karen

Karen — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:36:58 +0000

I heard Kim Jong-Il is building a monument to open-ness.

By: Ariel

Ariel — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:25:28 +0000

Suzanne’s comments are on the mark but some of you are simply antisemites who don’t even know the meaning of apartheid. Were Israel to actually implement the practices you accuse it of, the so-called “Palestinian problem” would have been solved 50 years ago.

By: Raea Hutton

Raea Hutton — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:43:42 +0000

Its another example of the utter contempt that Isreal has for Palestinians,the true owners of the land they now occupy. Since Isreal revels in, but lies about, a system of Apartied against Palestinians, it is not surprising that they would see nothing wrong with a building meant to insult those people. Or, at least to show how insignificant they feel Palestinians are. What do you expect of a terroist country?

By: Cliff Hammond

Cliff Hammond — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:44:20 +0000

The museum itself is a great concept. It’s planned location and design are something else. After finding a more tolerance inspiring site, they should find an architect like Frank Lloyd Wright who combined design genius with respect for place.

By: Mary F

Mary F — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:59:58 +0000

When will Israel learn?

Sorry, I know it’s cool to support Israel as an American and all, but…

A Museum of “Tolerance” built on top of a sacred Muslim cemetery? REALLY?

REALLY, Israel? WTF?

By: Sharon M. Blumberg

Sharon M. Blumberg — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:53:24 +0000

I also agree with the comments made above by Susan Pomeranz and the continuation of those comments by Ken Donow. Was anyone thinking of the consequences of this building’s location and structure design. I find it a complete negative, it does NOT belong in Jerusalem….

By: VL

VL — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:46:57 +0000

It’s irony at it’s finest. I’m glad Gehry has walked away from this abomination. To be honest, the word “tolerance” is insulting. I suppose check points, border patrols and refugee camps are ways the Jews “tolerate” the Palestinians. The only way to co-exist peacefully is to ACCEPT differences. We can only pray one day they will be celebrated.

By: CD

CD — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:52:21 +0000

I can’t think of a more perfect oxymoron. A museum of tolerance in my family’s hometown where my family isn’t even allowed to return to. That’s tolerance for you.

By: Ken Donow

Ken Donow — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:34:22 +0000

Frank G I want to second the comments by Susan Pomeranz. The Calatrava bridge looks like nothing so much as a piece of kitsch in the context it was built. The Gehry project would be kitsch on steroids. The idea of a museum of tolerance in a city which houses Yad Vashem is ridiculous.

By: IAN

IAN — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:53:39 +0000

I don’t know what’s more obsence: the proposed site of the planned museum or its seudo-futuristic design.

By: Suzanne Pomeranz

Suzanne Pomeranz — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:56 +0000

It’s a project that should NEVER been started in the first place. While the Gehry design might be fine in LA and other places, like the horrible Calatrava bridge, it is not appropriate for Jerusalem.

Plus – we don’t need a “museum” of tolerance – what a waste of money and land in a city that needs more places for people to actually get together, not more edifices to failure.

By: Joey Torns

Joey Torns — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:27:33 +0000

Terrible, who would ever want to know about this stuff!

By: James Smith

James Smith — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:26:14 +0000

It’s a great story with lots of character.