This week on Unorthodox, Ivanka Trump steals a kugel.

Our Jewish guest is Naftali Hanau, founder of Grow and Behold Foods, the Brooklyn-based purveyor of kosher pastured meat from animals raised on family farms with no hormones or antibiotics. He tells us about being trained as a kosher butcher, or shochet, and why he’s made it his mission to provide ethically produced kosher meat.

Our Gentile of the Week is Glynn Washington, host of NPR’s Snap Judgment, a storytelling show centered on major life decisions. He talks to Mark, who profiled him for the Atlantic in 2013, about why the word “storytelling” is overused and how he knows when he has a great one.

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