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Christians for Palestine

A vocal majority of evangelical Christians are zealous supporters of Israel. But a growing movement seeks to align them with the Palestinian cause.

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Evangelical Christians have emerged as Israel’s staunchest allies—even as some American Jews are made uneasy by the show of support

For most American Jews and Israelis, evangelical Christians are synonymous with zealous, biblically inspired support of the Jewish state—so zealous, in fact, that it makes some Jews uneasy. But the days when Israel could count on unconditional support from evangelicals may be coming to an end.

Last month, a conference convened in Bethlehem by Palestinian activists and Christian clergy long at odds with the Jewish state managed to bring a number of leading lights from the evangelical community in North America and Europe to the Holy Land. Many of the speeches at the conference touched on themes that one would commonly hear at a BDS teach-in, like blaming the entire Middle East conflict on Israel’s occupation and the settlements.

Indeed, the name of the conference, Christ at the Checkpoint, is indicative of the different direction this segment of the evangelical movement is heading toward. The idea is that evangelicals should rethink their support for a state that occupies another people and oppresses them. Once they get the full story, conference organizers hope, Western evangelicals may find they have more in common with the downtrodden Palestinians than with the Israelis.

To pro-Israel evangelicals and Zionists who were paying attention, Christ at the Checkpoint was a wake-up call. The larger trend, which for want of a better phrase might be called the pro-Palestinian evangelical movement and is indeed spearheaded by Palestinian Christians, is already changing minds. Giving them momentum are money raised in the United States, theology, and perhaps most important of all, a movie. The documentary film With God on Our Side is leaving many former pro-Israel evangelicals wondering why they never heard the Palestinian side of the story.

Many friends of Israel, as well as Israelis, have long been concerned that evangelical support is premised largely on self-interest of an especially macabre nature. Israel, in this reading, is ground zero for the apocalypse: Before Christ can return to Earth, the Jews must return to Israel and the Temple must be restored, ushering in first a time of tribulation and then a reign of peace.

Of course, the apocalypse and Christ’s return is not the only justification for Christian support of Israel. Indeed, this end-time scenario embarrasses some evangelicals whose support is premised on the idea that God keeps his promises, not only to Christians but also to Jews, to whom God pledged the land of Israel. This conviction is further buttressed by a sense of historical responsibility, specifically to stand with the Jews and atone for the failure of Christians during the Holocaust to save the nation that gave them their savior.

Though the vast majority of evangelicals still maintain that support, for the first time since the establishment of Israel in 1948, there is an increasingly heated debate in the evangelical community that may augur a shift in the political winds. And if the Christ at the Checkpoint camp wins out, the pro-Israel Jewish community that once looked warily upon evangelical support may come to regard that movement with nostalgia.

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“The debate in the Jewish community should not be about whether or not to be comfortable with Christian support for Israel,” David Brog, executive director of Christians United for Israel, told me last week. “Christians are going to be involved in the issue whether we are comfortable or not. The question is whether they’re going to be on Israel’s side or not.”

Christians United for Israel is the United States’ largest and best-known Christian Zionist organization. Founded in 2006 by John Hagee, pastor of the CornerStone Church in San Antonio, Texas, CUFI boasts over a million members. Hagee has found himself in the middle of political controversy in the past—most recently during John McCain’s unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign when his statements regarding the Holocaust were misinterpreted and McCain rejected his support. (Hagee declined to comment for this article.)

Hagee and other figures base support for the Jewish state on biblical foundations, specifically on Genesis 12:3, where God tells Abraham, “I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee.” The message is clear: Those who support Israel will be rewarded by God. But pro-Israel evangelicals have sent their flock out into the field vulnerable—that is, without an account of the conflict that besets the citizens of the present-day homeland of the Jews. Armed primarily with a biblical defense of the Jewish state, some evangelicals told me that they feel unprepared to justify it on political grounds.

This gap has made room for people across the cultural and ideological spectrum—whose motivations run the gamut from genuine compassion for Palestinians to anti-Semitism—to fill the space with their own interpretations of contemporary Middle East history. Not surprisingly, many of these narratives tend to be drawn from precincts of the left, like the BDS movement, that are known for their hostility to the Jewish state. What is peculiar is that these accounts are being entertained and sometimes embraced in evangelical churches, Bible schools, and Christian colleges that are not typically known for their progressive politics.

It wasn’t difficult for these Christian critics of Israel to find a weak link in the Christian Zionist narrative—it’s the ethical morass inherent in the formulation of Genesis 12:3. The children of the Bible, Christians as well as Jews, believe that all people are created in God’s image and are therefore born with individual dignity. But if people of faith are supposed to bless Israel because they’ll be blessed in return, then they are treating others, Jews and Arabs, not as individuals but rather as instruments in their own spiritual drama.

You can’t treat people as chess pieces, says Porter Speakman Jr., the 40-year-old director of With God on Our Side. This 82-minute-long documentary, which premiered in 2010 and is now being shown at churches and college campuses, has had a major role in tilting evangelical opinion, especially among young people, against Israel. Speakman told me in a phone interview that isn’t aim isn’t to “delegitimize Israel, but to be critical of policies that are having an effect on real people’s lives.”

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And as we see in the article, as they usually do, the antisemties like Sabeel are trying to define the Jewish people, what Judaism is and what it means.

I’m surprised this didn’t happen earlier…and it worries me.

BTW, the Holocaust didn’t come out of Christianity, it came out of nineteenth-century racial theories; religious Christians were often the only ones bothering to oppose Hitler at all (though plenty of major churches remained silent or collaborated with Hitler).

herbcaen says:

This is the recrudescence of the old Christian belief of supercessionism, in which it is believed that when the Jews did not accept Jesus as savior, then G-d broke his covenant with the Jewish people and established a new covenant. This is why many liberal churches are called New Covenant. Unlike Catholic and Baptist churches, many liberal churches have junked most of their doctrine and cling to supercessionism as  the last bastion of their religion. Also, these churches do not have an equivalent of Vatican II that allows religious coexistence with Jews. Therefore, some sects of liberal Christianity are religiously bound to wage jihad against the Jewish people. It also explains why the State Dept opposed the rescue of Jews during the Holocaust. Hitler was solving a thorny theological problem. I wish that Speakman and Sizer would have the intellectual honesty and bravery to state “We hate the Jewish People, and wish that the Holocaust was more successful”

Boychic says:

The fact is that evangelical christian support for Israel is stronger than ever . Considering the bigotry and persecution that Christians suffer in Moslem dominated states it would take a big swallow of gullibility to believe that they would have any allegiance at all to such states. Indeed, the writer should have checked the declining Christian population of Bethlehem before making such inaccurate pronouncements of declining support.

quresh658 says:

Well if you accept the Palestinian (Whether” Christian”?, or otherwise) obfuscation including the allegations that
(1) both Jesus and Moses were “Palestinian  and Moslem (Somewhat difficult to grasp considering ”Palestinians, as  currently defined  are a modern phenomenon as of 1967 (name one leader prior to Arafat{and boy-oh-boy, did he lead them ?!}) or as even now stated, by a “Palestinian ” leader no less,  that they are but a hodgepodge of Syrians and Egyptians ,that is,  there is no such thing as “Palestinians” (as currently defined) ;

(2) Judaism is close to 4300 years in existence ; Christianity , in various form  at least 2000 years and Islam (Moslems) since the mid 600′s AD.  Without subscribing to Quantum Leap {actually a very entertaining  TV series  several years ago)I cannot understand the convolutions involved in coming to that conclusion , 

(3) forget about the continuing promises made by G-D and believe the usurpers through out  the middle East save for Israel ( and even now, most unfortunately, throughout Europe)

(4) most of Samaria and Judea  were ceded to the Islamists  in the hope (but not the reality of PEACE > are you getting this , President Obama)

You will see the light and the truth in how the World is  currently unfolding , surely  not the way G-D but rather   mohamed intended .

How can you not stand , square footed, with Israel and the Jewish people.??   

AngelaJo says:

Read “Bonhoeffer Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy by Eric Metaxas.
When I first became a Christian in 1980 being raised Catholic, 100% Italian and American born, within just a couple of years of my decision to believe, I heard about this man Dietrich Bonhoeffer. The voice I heard about him from was a group called Cornerstone based in Chicago who preached love of neighbor. This group reached out to the poor of inner Chicago, had a heavy metal rock band called Rez, stands for Resurrection Band. When all this happened my decision, my hearing about Bonhoeffer, I lived in North Idaho, no running water, electricity, or telephone, this was over 30 years ago. Bonhoeffer was who he was BEFORE hitler came to power. Most importantly Dietrich became more of who he was when it all hit the fan. As Null stated “religious” Christians are often the only ones bothering to oppose Hitler, or any other person or group who is un- Christian like. One does not have to believe in Christ to have Christ like actions.  By the way my Dad has stated there is Jewish in his background, which means it passed down to us, his 4 daughters. This was told to me after I had been to Israel. Now I have been to Israel 5 times, Italy only 1 time. I will never leave Jesus, the most famous Jew I know. And I love all the parts of me.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer who has no Jewish blood, is not Italian, was 100% German taught me more than any Christian or Jew I know (besides Jesus, the most famous Jew I know). Decide for yourselves how to be, may it be right.
Great website.

J. Arnon says:

“I’m surprised this didn’t happen earlier…and it worries me.
BTW, the Holocaust didn’t come out of Christianity, it came out of nineteenth-century racial theories; religious Christians were often the only ones bothering to oppose Hitler at all (though plenty of major churches remained silent or collaborated with Hitler)”

Modern antisemitism has many sources and Christian antisemitism is one of them.   Some very few Christians helped Jews. The majority including priests, pastors and other high ranking officials in the various Churches.

We (Jews) tend to concentrate on those few that did help us during the Shoah and it makes sense that we do. However, we should never ignore the majority who did not. We ignore them at our peril.

Perhaps part of the reason that evangelical Zionists have not been informed on the pro-Israel arguments is that many are political subjects that would tend to make evangelicals uneasy (gay rights and social welfare being at the top of the list).

PhillipNagle says:

Since their theology is based on a big lie, “Jesus was a Palestinian, that defies all known history and the Christian bible, we can only view these people as kooks. Much more serious is some of the “main line” Protestant churches have become very anti-Israel.  This of course is due their left wing tilt.  The far left as a whole is anti-Israel which has many of their Jewish fellow traveler falling all over themselves.  

Martha Reese says:

Smith writes, “The issue is that key segments of the Palestinian Christian community have a vested political interest in delegitimizing Zionism—a fact that Speakman and other Western activists in the evangelical community may or may not be aware of.” Smith might have asked Palestinian Christians what they believe, instead of letting their Western detractors speak for them. His failure to do so avoids confronting the obvious: it’s reasonable and predictable that Palestinians–Christian and non-Christian–would challenge Zionism, an ideology on the basis of which they have been dispossessed and/or rendered aliens in their ancestral homeland.

The Palestinians gave out candy on street corners when the Twin Towers collapsed.  Israel remains the safest country in the region for Christians.  Islam combined with the total hatred of so-called Palestinians is out to destroy Israel and Christians.  That’s the point, and that’s the condition.

Israel remains the safe haven for Christians in the area.  Islam is out to ethnically cleanse both Jews and Christians.   

Marianne Lown says:

 

It doesn’t help that N. T. Wright, the
popular and influential former bishop of Durham in England, seems to have
thrown in his lot with the Palestinians; see here http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Holy_Land_Today.htm

 

There’s also a long discussion of Wright’s views
on supercessionism here http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2011/06/01/tom-wright-scripture-and-gods-authority/

 

 

 

mike077 says:

If Palestinian Christians are truly Biblical Christians, then they will recognize and respect the unique, divine hand on the Jewish people. They will call for their leaders to respect Israel and demand a stop to terrorist attacks on Israel. This is not to day that Israel is always right. Even supporters of Israel understand that. However, if Palestinian Christians are true Christians, they will choose to bless their enemy — Israel — and renounce violence against Jewish people. If they don’t, it is just antisemitism and anti-Israel masquerading under a new Christian banner.

Christian’s who would stand with Muslim’s against the Jewish state are being so foolish it pains me. To any Brother’s or Sister’s on here who support Palestine or are considering supporting Palestine, or even having second thoughts: study Islam. Muslim’s are allowed to lie to you. They’re just taking advantage of you to turn you against the Jews, whom Muslim’s have been butchering since the days of Mohammed himself. The Muslim’s believe a man they will refer to as the Mahdi will come back and eventually slaughter all Christians and Jews who do not convert to Islam. They believe the Mahdi will take up residence on the temple mount in Jerusalem – which is interesting because that’s what Christian’s believe the anti-Christ will do. Google “Palestinian Christians persecuted” to find out how Christian’s in Palestine are really treated, rather than listening to those who claim to follow Christ but are instead being used to support a terrorist state. Christian’s don’t face such ugly persecution in Israel – keep that in mind. 

Additionally, it’s important to remember that mostly Christian nation’s bought down Hitler and liberated the holocaust survivors. Germany was an atheist nation then, and is now. Today only 13% of German’s believe in God – whereas it’s 81% in the U.S. Even in the 30′s and 40′s Germany was extremely atheist. The racial theories which influenced Hitler and the Nazi party were born out of an atheistic worldview, and drawn from evolutionary theory. 

Danielle5 says:

Any true Christian has to stand with Israel. I will say, however, that the new poll (from PRRI) showing just how much animosity/suspicion American Jews feel towards Christians is unsettling and frustrates a lot of Christians. The poll also claims that American Jews are FAR more favorable toward Muslims than Christians. That is just  bizarre. At this point I think it has more to do with politics than being proselytized to. Whatever the reason, based on the relationship between J & C over the last twenty years, it doesn’t seem warranted.

CapitalistInfidel says:

I don’t know of any Christians that favor the genocidal terrorists in “Palestine.”

If you read and follow the Word of God, the land belongs to Israel.  That promise has never been rescinded.  It has never been changed.  The Abrahamic Covenant has not been revoked.  All the so-called Christians, evangelical, mainline, or whatever, who do not subscribe to this idea are not following the Word of God.

I call bullsh*t. I don’t know of any evangelical Christians who support Palestine in any way, shape, matter, or form. In fact, evangelicals that I know uniformly want Israel’s borders moved outward, want them to continue to control, hold, and expand their presence on the Golan and Gaza.
The Palestinians aren’t even a real “people” in nation terms.
I think someone is just trying to gin something up for a story…

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To me it is obvious that mainline churches who do not support Israel will come into judgment by G-d Himself.  I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you (Genesis 12: 3).  Simple, Biblical and to the point. 

mouskatel says:

It sounds like he didn’t even begin to address Palestinian oppression of Christians. How said and distorted. How soon we forget the hostage crisis in the Church of the Nativity only 10 years ago:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/siege/etc/links.html

mouskatel says:

I agree, but one quibble. Jews residing in Palestine were actually referred to as Palestinians before the State was declared in 1948. Hence, the Jerusalem Post used to be called the “Palestine Post”.

asyouaskforit says:

There is no change of mind until we see christians and churches operating freely in Gaza and the West bank as in other parts of Israel.

asyouaskforit says:

“The idea is that evangelicals should rethink their support for a state that occupies another people and oppresses them. ”
How come Israel is the oppressor when the other party is the one firing rockets, mortars and missiles at Israel??
Good question, no???? 

wildjew says:

I welcome unconditional Christian support for Israel. 

hdtd says:

“How can I give you up, Ephraim? 
    How can I hand you over, Israel? . . .
. . .My heart is changed within me;
    all my compassion is aroused.
I will not carry out my fierce anger,
   nor will I turn and devastate
                Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man–
       the Holy One among you.
       I will not come in wrath.
They will follow the LORD;
      he will roar like a lion.
When he roars,
    his children will come trembling
                    from the west.
They will come trembling
      like birds from Egypt,
      like doves from Assyria.
I will settle them in their homes,”
      declares the LORD.

Hosea 11:8-11

TimUpham says:

Evangelical Christians can play a very pivotal role in the creation of a two-state solution.  I have been trying desperately to get them to join this movement.  There has been some progress, but yet it as been like pulling teeth.  It by all means falls in every capacity of their Christian beliefs.  It falls directly into the quotations of Jesus Christ.  You are not turning your back on Israel, and the Christian belief that Israel represents the continuation of God’s covenant.  The core of Christian belief is peace, and Evangelical Christians can practice that by supporting the two-state solution.  Peace can be achieved by having Israel live side by side with an independent Palestine.  You cannot get more Christian then that.

There are few things that makes liberal Jews and avid readers of Forward happier than antisemitism. But it must make their heads explode to watch Christians, a group they hate almost as much, aligning themselves with terrorists and psychopaths the left was born to support. 

IAintNoPushOver says:

I have no issue with supporting Palestinian statehood per se, but we need to remember that Christianity divorced itself from its Jewish roots long ago, and Islam did much the same later.  History has shown that neither group can really be trusted, and the only civilizations that are truly friendly to the Jews are those which have not been contaminated by either one (e.g. Hindu India, China, the Far East, and large swaths of sub-Saharan Africa.).

Nazi racial theories may have had their origins in the 19th century, but the Nuremberg Laws that stripped Jews of any civil rights (and formed the basis of the anti-Jewish laws that Italy adopted in 1938) were widely supported by mainline Christian Churches in Germany and in other parts of Europe– including the Catholic Church. Past oppressions of European Jewry including mass killings and expulsions, were often supported by clergy and by theological opinions.

So while the racial theory was not supported by Christian doctrine (as made clear by Pius XI’s Encyclical on race) the antisemitism that led to the Holocaust certainly had origins in Christian attitudes towards Jews– even if there were heroic Christians who stood up to such tyranny.

AngelaJo says:

I stand with Jesus who was Jewish. That should make you happy. One point that I do need to make, as there are various forms of Christians, there are also various forms of Judaism or at least how Jewish people act out there Judaism. I see nothing wrong with that as I see nothing wrong with the various of Christians. Both groups should be in some agreement because of the Old Testament, or Tanach as some know it to be called. 

As a Messianic Jew (Christian Jew for those who are anti-semitic), I support what the Bible says, not what man says.  And the Bible clearly states that the Almighty will bring all those into judgment who mistreated and cursed His original Covenant People.  All those who sided with the enemies of the Jewish people will reap the judgments of the Almighty for their lawlessness and for thumbing their noses at scripture.  These people are no longer my brothers and sisters in Christ.  When they aligned themselves with the enemies of Israel and the Jewish people, they nullified that relationship.  They know absolutely NOTHING of the history of this conflict, both politically and spiritually.  This is why they are so gullible to the lies of the enemy and so easily manipulated.   I pray that the Almighty awakens them to the truth.  But, as long as they walk with the enemy, they are not my brothers or sisters.

bobschwalbaum says:

There is one very simple answer.

Justified or not.. there is in every Jewish heart a feeling of  of what.. what word can I use.. I suppose distrust.. “Oy.. the Goyim!”  Most Jews harbor in the very hearts a distrust of ALL Christians.. justifed or not.. Pro or anti Israel.. many Jews basically don’t like… don’t trust  Christians… but especially religious Christians.. more specifically Evangeliclas

Sad but true

It is also sad that many of the leaders in the current anti-Israel campaign are Jews or half-Jews

I speak as a Christian who was born a Jew.

AramiOved says:

Two thousand years of discrimination and persecution at times by various Christian churches, have unfortunately left some deep scars on the collective memory of many Jews to the point that they now experience difficulties recognizing their friends among the “Christians.”
On the other hand, many Jews do not wish to be targeted as easy prey by zealous missionaries who claim that “God is with them” instead of “them being with God.”When Christian leaders will have come to follow Paul’s affirmation in the NT (Romans 11: 26) that “all Israel will be saved” and will leave the Jews alone to worship God in their own way, a true dialogue will become possible. The arrogance of many missionaries stands on the way to mutual respect and true love. Jews are well aware of this paradoxically un-Christian attitude on the part of the Churches toward the Jews.Get rid of that haughtiness and a genuine dialogue will be possible.   

Reflections of a rabbi and psychoanalyst

In my travels and discussions on the Middle East conflict, the one recurring theme amongst those that support the Palestinian Arabs is the notion that the conflict is asymmetrical; i.e., the big, bad Israelis have been beating up on the poor, puny Palestinians for the last 45 years (at least), employing their superior force of arms to oppress them. 

There has been a complete and collective amnesia on the history of the conflict: the late 18th and early 19th century pogroms and massacres of Jews at the hands of the local Arabs, the collaboration between Palestinian Arabs and the Nazis to prevent Jews from escaping the Holocaust, calls by Arab leaders for the liquidation of Israel, the many wars of attrition and of intended annihilation initiated by the Arab states, “the three no’s”, etc.

This collective “amnesia” is rooted in primal antisemitism but is justified and couched within the relatively modern frameworks and rhetoric of Marxist ideology, liberation theology, and universal human rights.  Hence the popular euphemism and catachresis “resistance” for murderous Palestinian violence targeting Jewish civilians.

For Israel to survive this political and public relations war, it will have to reassert the accurate narrative of 350 million genocidal Muslims arrayed against 6 million Jews, with the Palestinian Arabs simply a proxy vanguard employed, cynically, to win western support for the effort to destroy a Jewish sovereign.

corey949 says:

As a spiritually promiscuous Jew who finds truth and nourishment in a wide range of traditions including Christian mysticism, Sufi devotional poetry, Hasidism, Kabbala, Gnosticism, quantum physics, Buddhism, neuroscience, music and indigenous wisdom, I give thanks to be alive in this unprecedented time when all the connects us humans to one another is more obvious than ever. While I need to ground myself in my own ancestral culture (Ashkenazi Jewish, via Eastern Europe and North America), the closer I am to my own “roots” the closer I feel to people of all cultures and ethnicities. Of course my syncretic global/local perspective offers no more solutions to the middle east conflict than any other perspective. But one thing seems clear: rigid sectarianism — the narrative that says “I’m right and you’re wrong” or “We’re doing God’s will and you’re not” or “we are better, stronger, more deserving, more righteous than you” — whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Marxist or Vegan leads toward, not away from the escalation of conflict

AngelaJo says:

Good book for Christians to read “Salvation is from The Jews,” by Roy H. Schoeman.

Poupic says:

Go ask Christians in Israel if they would be ready to move to any Arab country? Of course not. Israel is the only state in the whole Middle East where Christians thrive because they and their churches are protected by law. On the other hand ask any Christian in the PA area with no one else around if they would prefer Israel control the land where they live. If they are not scared to talk they will tell you the truth that keeps them awake at night. Will Israel keep the town where they live or not? Go have a look at two Christian town Ramallah and Bethlehem. Both today are almost cleansed out of Christians. The Christians that could left. Ask Chaldeans in Detroit why they are in the USA and not in Iraq or find out what is happening to the Kopt’s of Egypt, their churches burning. They are still 10% of the population of Egypt today but for how long?

sara says:

Sorry I do not agree.  There have been many and there still are many  if not even more Jewish/Christian intermarriages today taking place  and sometimes even conversions among them….. far more than Jewish/Arab marriages outside of the few  Arab  Countries wherein Jews are still permitted to live    We have for example the Clinton family whose  only daughter recently married a Conservative Jew, and why even the British Royal Prince William  marrying Kate Middleton whose Mother was of truly  Jewish origin  but Conversions all the way…. Christianity was born from Judaism let us not forget that and likewise the Earliest Christians were the Jews and the Romans.  Which Christian of today even knows if he was not the origin of a Jew  born during the Time of Jesus 2000 years ago?  Jews and Christians are invisibly bound in some way and the Catholics may resent the fact because it was they themselves who were Guilty of crucifying Jesus.    Let us not  forget ………

sara says:

But the Christian/Arabs have been in the meantime runnng away from their homes which were together with the Muslim/Arabs in the Middle East  or have  some  forgotten  ?  because of fear of  Intimidation by their Muslim Brethren.  Even the Pope has been questioning  the lack of Christians today in the Mideast and who can answer him that it is because of fear of their Muslim Beethren that they run away ?  A relative few are left there  and this is sad for Israel as the Christian/Arabs and the Jews were good friends unlike the Muslim/Arabs and the Jews.  Even Miss Israel of some years back was a pretty Christian/Arab girl representing Israel during thr World Miss Universe Competition     What more can we say about the good relations which existed  between  many Christians and  the Jews in  Israel  whereas with the Muslims the same hostility still and will always remain ……

sara says:

Now to end this interestng talkback, just who are the Infidels of the Muslims …?  none but the Christians and the Jews …….

luminography says:

 I had to look it up: (kt-krss)
n. pl. cat·a·chre·ses (-sz)
 
2. The use of a strained figure of speech, such as a
mixed metaphor.

[Latin catachrsis, improper use of a
word, from Greek katakhrsis, excessive use, from
katakhrsthai, to misuse :
kata-, completely; see cata- + khrsthai, to
use; see gher-2

ekaresky says:

bobschwalbaum, The LAST person I would trust is a Jew who became a Christian.

Sadly, liberal American Jews —who, like “good” liberals, generally fall over themselves trying to show how tolerant and inclusive they are — sometimes treat evangelicals in ways that they would considered bigoted or xenophobic if applied to any other group (say, blacks or Muslims), and make conservative Jews like myself cringe in embarrassment.

Don’t be surprised if this drives some to the other side. 

Counterintuitively (but only at first sight), the more observant Jews don’t see missionaries lurking in every evangelical — in no small  part because they tend to be more secure in their own faith. 

alfilad says:

You mean like…how well it all work when Gaza was turned over to the Palestinians?  Like when Ehud Barak, Israeli PM- offered them that, and East Jerusalem and they turned it down?
And like when the British, way back before the State of Israel came into being, offered the Arabs a mass of  land if they would settle for two States?  
yep. Right.
Check out the history. Jesus, I believe, also said He did not come to bring peace, but a sword.      Alas alas, it isn’t that simple, my friend.

bobschwalbaum says:

Your answer proves my point exactly.. you don’t trust ANY Christian.. least of all one who was born a Jew.. and Bar Mitzvahed to boot.

Think about it.. and try to fill your heart with love for everybody.. Christian or Jew… amd not espouse the HATE your entry exposes.

TimUpham says:

Jesus Christ said that in Matthew 10:34 “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”  It has been interpreted that he was not advocating physical violence, but that a sword was used as a metaphor for ideological conflict.  That very much applies to the times that he lived in, and today.  He also said in Matthew 22:39 “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thy self.”  Which very much applies to present day standards.  When the Palestinians turned down Barak’s offer, they did not do so as a united voice.  It was representing the great split between Al Fatah and Hamas, which is still going on to this day.  In fact that split may be derailing the efforts for the Palestinians to hold elections of May 4th.  It was not the British, but the United Nations that voted to partition Palestine in 1947, into an Arab state and a Jewish state.  Mahmoud Abbas said it was a mistake , not to accept that proposal.  Now it is going in and correcting that past mistake.  That is where Evangelical Christians can play a pivotal role, in helping to correct that past mistake.

Nobody checks the facts. They just follow the stream of anti Israeli propaganda, that has reached its zenith. Moslems do not consider Christians as saviours, they dislike them as Infidels and Crusaders.
They have created one of the biggest emigration ever, of millions of Christians from Lebanon. We do not have to mention the fate of 8 million Coptic Christians in an Islamic Sharia Egypt.
Evangilical Christians have always stood by Israel. So it will continue.
No matter how many millions of petro dollars are pumped into those groups that seek the destruction of Israel or the great divide between Christians and Jews.
One only has to look to Nigeria, where Christian Churches are being bombed on a weekly basis whilst the people are praying.

Eitan-Golan. Israel.

I am a Christian living in the PA area of Bethlehem. I want the Israeli occupation out of my land, I don’t want to move to any Arab country, as this IS my country. you have no idea about living under military occupation. it is so humiliating that I want my freedom back. If Christian are leaving, it is because of the Israeli occupation. do not speak in the name of Christian Palestinians, you know nothing about them. come and share out lives, and you will understand hopefully.
We are being pushed out of our land making our lives miserable by law, not protected. The Separation Wall is taking the lands of Christians … by “law”. come to Beit Jala, and I will show you those lands.

by supporting the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian lands, you are contributing to the persecution of Christian Palestinians. do not pretend to protect us when you support occupation, the main reason for the declining Christian poluplation of Bethlehem. I live in Bethlehem, and I do NOT need your “support”!

Michael, why don’t you ask Christians in the area before speaking about them? “safe haven”?!! you have no idea what you are talking about ! P.S. I am one of those Christians living in the area !

Paula, read your Bible, and the New Testament before talking about false “truths”. Our God is the just loving God of all, and Christ demolished the wall separating Jews and Gentiles… God is not a tribal God, fighting with one people against the others.

I am a son of Abraham (Rm 4, 18), am I not part of that covenant ?

I am a Christian Palestinian, am I there to destroy myself? that is nonsense.

Dear Sara, what do you know about Christian Palestinians? I am afraid nothing, that is why you say all this nonsense

ekaresky says:

Threw that out and got the answer I expected.  “Born a Jew and Bar Mitzvah?” Didn’t seem to matter much to you. I’m sure your parents and family kvell about what a mensch you are (sic). I really don’t give schmutz about what you think.

herbcaen says:

 I am a Christian living in the PA area of Bethlehem. I want the Israeli occupation out of my land… Since you are in the PA area of Bethlehem, Israel is already out of your land. What you really want is the “good old days”, when the village priest would make an inflammatory speech during Easter services, and the drunken peasants would respond with a progrom, raping the Jewish women and smashing the infants on rocks. Im so sorry that you are deprived the pleasures of your ancestors. Jews are here to stay and will not commit suicide so you can please your masters in Hamas

herbcaen says:

 demolished the wall separating Jews and Gentiles…you must be referring to the yellow stars that Pope Innocent III mandated Jews wear as part of the Lateran Council of 1215, or was it the walls of the Krakow ghetto erected by the allies of your god Hajj Amin el Husseini in 1940

Poupic says:

You are a liar. A Christian would not say this garbage because in Israel Christians thrive and Bethlehem under the PA terror Christians are living as soon as they have somewhere to go. Remember the Church of the Nativity incident when PLO gunmen escaped into the church and desecrated it? Is there one Arab state where Christians aren’t considered Dhimi’s? Is there a day where there is an Arab state where Christians are not killed or a church burned to the ground? 
As for the Wall it is a separation wall the separation is Arab terror separated from Israeli civilians. Since the wall that is mostly a fence the terror attacks have dwindled to knifing and stoning cars while previously bus explosion, pizza parlor customers including women and children blown up. Of course you hate what you call “The Wall” Ya Mahmmoud those times are over.

as you say, all muslims are genocidal, that s a much more balanced viewpoint.

41953 says:

The fact that Christians in Palestine and other Arab lands face varying levels of hostility does not exonerate Israel from is illegal, prolonged and oppressive occupation of Palestinian land.

Jesus, was, of course a Jew, but it is possible that the distant ancestors of Palestinians have the best claim to be descendants of ancient Jews.  When the Muslims conquered the region in the late 600s, the inhabitants, many of them Jewish, converted.

Ben Gurion himself believed that modern day Arabs in the region had a good claim to being the descendants of ancient Jews.  

MichaelsComments says:

Tim,
 
Read what you wrote: “… the United Nations that voted to partition Palestine in 1947, into an Arab state and a Jewish state.”
1. Note the words Arab and Jewish.  Not Palestinian and Jewish.  There are about 10 places in the resolution that Arab and Jewish are stated.  Palestinian is never stated, as in 1947 the world knew there was no such thing as Palestinians, only Arabs and Jews. 
2. The United Nations did not vote to create an Arab and a Jewish state, it recommended the creation of an Arab and a Jewish state but not did not vote to create an Arab and Jewish state.  This is a very substantial and deliberate distinction.  The vote was deliberately held in the General Assembly, which only has the power to recommend, and not in the Security Council, where there MAY HAVE BEEN the power to act.  I say MAY HAVE BEEN, because a partition plan would have violated Article 80 of the Charter of the United Nations.
 
There were partition plans suggested prior to the UN recommendation of 1947.  These plans were either proposed or endorsed by the British, actions contrary to both their legal and moral obligations under the Mandate, but entirely consistent with their interests in Arab oil.
 
I don’t know if you are sincere or not, but you are very conveniently ill-informed.
 

TimUpham says:

We can look at the simplistic that Arabs are just Arabs, what difference does that make?  Well, actually Arabs are not just Arabs.  They are separated by dialect, culture, and history.  It is no different than separating Dutch from Flemish or German from Austrian.  Since Palestine was a British mandate territory, what the British were concerned about is the tension building up between the two sides, which is the reason why Britain issued the White Paper in 1939, to blockade Jews from entering Palestine.  That is the reason why the U.N. voted to partition Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state.  Jordan could have entered the United Nations as a Bedouin kingdom, which is what is it. but we recognized it as an Arab kingdom too.  Palestine currently has observer status in the United Nations, so does that means Palestine, and places such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt should all be lumped together as just the Arabs in the United Nations?  Bringing it up to current standards, Mahmoud Abbas said it was a mistake not to accept the 1947 vote of partition.  So now it is going in to try to correct past mistakes, because if we don’t, there will always be perpetual conflict.  That is where Evangelical Christians can help.  I stated that the United Nations voted for partition, not to create, and even Palestinians were not mentioned at the United Nations in 1947.  Palestine is very much mentioned at the U.N. now, which means we all have to brought up to current standards.

Yisrael Medad says:

Bob Simon’s gave these guys a (biased) boost.
http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2012/04/bob-hatchet-job-simon-and-his.html

Not true. It is a fact that Muslims have the dhimmi laws, and Christians are leaving Muslim lands in droves because of how they are treated by Muslims. Let’s also note that there is a Muslim hadith saying it’s okay to lie to non-believers as long as it promotes Islam. That is what the Muslims are doing, and your post is an indication that you are a Muslim playing at being a Christian. You guys have no sense of shame. You also don’t have the 10 Commandments either, also something to note.

You are not treated well by Muslims, and that’s a fact. They will use you while they can, and if they win then you will go back to being treated like a dhimmi because you are not Muslim. This is FACT, and I’ve seen it myself.

There is certainly a solution to the Middle Eastern problem. When the Muslims love their children more than they hate the Jews, we will be able to come to a solution.

 Like Christians, Jews were raped by mozlems and forcibly converted to izlam. Especially women. If you are happy with that – and the fact that mozlems in Egypt are kidnapping Coptic Christian girls and forcing them into mozlem marriages as we write, continue as you are. Christians will die out as you are doing, breathing in their poisonous meme and adopting the murderous mozlem mind-set.

Oh Dear! Do you think that if Israel goes you will be living in a christian country? Where are the christian soldiers, there to protect you? You will have the same “freedom” as the Egyptian Copts, whose churches are burned and whose daughters are raped. You will be mozlem within one generation of Israel going – God forbid. You  are only nominally christian; you have a pure mozlem mindset. To paraphrase Jabotinsky: “We were here before you arrived and we will be here when you have gone”. Am Yisrael chai!

 excellent Well put.

 OMG a moonbat!

DIOSDADO SASIL says:

if jesus christ and his apostles were here today which side would they take on the israeli- palestinian conflict? if jesus christ and his apostles were here today would they walked alongside evangelical christians? what is more, if jesus christ and his apostles were here today would evangelical christians accept them into their fold?

ennio75 says:

This article does an excellent job of attempting to navigate the complexities that plague the Evangelical/Israel relationship.  I do take issue with one assertion, however. 
To say that “one biblical verse is a pretty thin thread on which to hang support of the Jewish state,” is a bit misleading, although I do understand and agree with the larger point being made by the author.

There is much more in the Bible that pro-Israel Christians draw their views from than one or two verses here and there.  The entire biblical story displays God’s covenantal faithfulness to the Jewish people.  While there may be other reasons for supporting the Jewish state (I think there are), it should be noted that those who believe the Bible to be the Word of God and support Israel have a wealth of reasons biblically to do so.  The list of verses supporting this assessment  would be too extensive to display.
    
The sad reality that much of Christian history is stained with theological formulations that show disdain for the Jewish people does not change the fact that the Bible itself presents God as having a special love for them.  This recognition, along with the biblical understanding that this is the people that have given the world the knowledge of the true God, His laws, and ultimately Jesus serves to underscore for the Evangelical (with eyes to see) the need and desire to support the Jewish people.  It is not some mere eschatological scenario, or some self-serving hope of blessing that drives most biblically minded Evangelicals toward backing Israel.

This is outrageous.  The Land of Israel, ALL OF IT, belongs to the children of Israel aka in modern parliance, the Jews.  NONE OF IT belongs to the palestinians or any of the other peoples of the Earth.  In fact, after the return of Jesus to the earth the land belonging to Israel will be even larger, encompasing the Sinai, Jordan, Lebanon and even into Iraq along the Euphrates river.  As Christians our support should be given to our elder brother, the Jewish people.

angelika froggie says:

Abraham entered the Holy Land approximately 2000 years before Jesus, then the majority of jews were kicked out of palestine during the diaspora 72 A.D. that means they lived in the land for 2000 years, the palestinians (although the majority are muslim) are direct descendants of the caanan people (and other peoples) who were living in the Holy Land before the jews even arrived, sure we’ve been arabized to the point where you cannot tell were the caanan ends and where the arab begins. but if you are a wise person, you cannot deny the fact that we, the palestinians have lived in that country for as long (even more) as the jews. we have the same right to the country as the jews do. why do some deny our right to co-exist with the jews and have a state alongside of you? this only explains historically why the palestinians deserve that land too. as for political issues, and what’s going on now in the Holy Land, that’s a different story. where both sides have wronged in the past, but it’s not too late for a change, if only those settlements disappear!
how can you not stand, square footed, with Palestine and the palestinian people?

angelika froggie says:

that’s so wrong, christians and muslims have lived alongside each other for centuries in the Holy Land. sure sometimes they are fighting with us christians, but the main reason behind the declining population of christians is Israel as they make it harder for chrsitians to get permission to cross the border and find work, make it harder for israeli christians to enter jewsish colleges, and other difficulties prompts the christians to seek help from the churches abroad, and slowly they send their children out of the country to seek work and education as very little is offered in palestine and israel because of JEWISH LAWS!! and that my friend is the reason more and more christians leave palestine, not because of the muslims, get your facts straight! the big monster in this particular issue is israel, your little knowledge in the matter is reflected in your comment, i’d suggest you educate yourself. 

angelika froggie says:

good job <3

angelika froggie says:

that is true, but not in palestine though, not in palestine.. 

angelika froggie says:

i’m a palestinian christian and i agree with EVERYTHING he said. inshallah ibtifham yom. that’s proof i’m an arab. 

angelika froggie says:

actually the caanans were there before the jews arrived, and the palestinians are descendants of the caanans which if i am going to think like him, gives us more right to the country, so this jabotinsky fellow clearly does not know his history… read some real facts, will you?

angelika froggie says:

if you read the word of God and Jesus Christ,  you’d know that we have been given new laws. Laws about LOVING everyone. and what you are doing is not that. don’t pretend like you are a good christian, please you are embarrassing us… 

angelika froggie says:

emm, when was the last time a qassam rocket killed a jew? 
Gaza war 2008: 1500 palestinian deaths, 13 israeli deaths (4 friendly fire). whose the oppressor? whose the oppressor?
good question, no????

angelika froggie says:

and if you were truly a christian then you would take no stand, you would remain neutral and help those who are in need of help. and in this war the palestinians need it. your hypocrisy is disgusting!! 

angelika froggie says:

my God, the amount of haters here is mind-blowing. and they call themselves christians!! Wow… 

Poupic says:

I not only wish you well but I worry about all the Christians in Arab states who generally have lived there at least a thousand years before any Arab came out of Arabia. We have been cleansed out of all Arab lands. Israel absorbed all the Jewish refugees out of Arab land the day they landed in Israel. Arab states created less Arab refugees in 1948 and still to this day absorbed none. What happens to Christians in Arab lands is off course happening in the PA area. Snipers from roofs of Christians to draw back fire from Israel, expropriation of real estate, rapes, attacks… Christians in the PA have their own traitors such as George Habash just like we have Jewish traitors working for Obama to further their careers. Obama talks and talks and supports Arab terror: ” Islamic Brotherhood are moderates!” Meanwhile they burn Coptic churches. Obama does zero for the Christians’s suffering in the Middle East as if he was looking a train passing by while churches are burning and Christian women are forced to cover their faces. I will vote to replace anti- Semite Obama.

angelika froggie says:

although it is true that christians suffer in islamic countries like the copts in egypt, south sudan and many other muslim countries the situation is a little different in palestine. you have to understand that the muslims, even though they attack christians sometimes, and christians alike are suffering at the hands of the jews. you see this goes deeper than you would think, the jews want ALL of the Holy Land not only the current israeli nation, and as proof i give two policies israel is supporting NOW: 1) the state’s support of the illegal settlements by the fanatical ultra-orthodox jews, who drive the palestinians away from their homes. if israel had wanted peace they would not do such a thing(research shows it’s actually cheaper if they all lived within the current state of israel and not on occupied lands). 2) christians. why would israel want to get rid of the christians? if israel manages to get rid of the christians, by denying them PERMISSION to cross the border and harder admissions to jewish colleges in israel, they would be able to convince the world that they are facing a threat from the remaining muslim population who have effectively driven away the christians. but of course that’s a lie. 
this might sound as lies to you, but that’s the honest truth. you do as you want, but now you know. 

Poupic says:

First, read your Christian Bible. You will not find in it “The West Bank.” But you will find in it Judea and Samaria. Then consider the fact that in 1948 Judea, Samaria and part of Jerusalem were part of a land grab for Transjordan by none other than British operative John Glubb who used to call himself Glubb Pasha. This was the last attempt by Britain to make Israel un viable by cutting it at the waste. He almost succeeded. Then the Jews that had not been killed were cleansed out of the land grab, none remained. Jordan in 1967 attempted yet again to destroy Israel and in the process it’s land grab of Judea and Samaria was liberated. Then Jordan non-longer controlling the land renamed it The West Bank and The Arab refugees became known as the Palestinian nation. A nation that never existed before than time. Jerusalem has always been the capital of the Jewish nation and never for even a minute the capital of any Arab nation even when they held it. Of course Jews are retuning to their home land that was taken away for 17 years. 

In addition of not absorbing the Arab refugees Arab states created they cleansed out all the Jews from all Arab states that were absorbed by Israel on their first day. Arabs who never left Israel are full citizens with rights no Arab has in any Arab country except maybe the elite, the effendis.

angelika froggie says:

what has that got to do with anything i said? it does not matter if the palestinians did not call themselves a nation before 48, the important thing is that there was, is and always will be people who live in the Holy Land who are non-jews but direct descendants of the local natives (caanans, travelers…), who were there long before the jews arrived around 2000 B.C. anyway as i said, that has got nothing to do with the issues going on NOW. just because you don’t know how to answer me when i’m right don’t go about writing stupid arguments not related to the topic. which is: the decline of christians in israel.
p.s i’d find in it judea, samaria and israel (the southern kingdom). it was taken away for 2000 years since 72 A.D. besides don’t bring in religious points of view to a political issue. and especially not from the old testament, which is proven to have MANY historical mistakes. 

Poupic says:

Sorry I responded to you. You serve me propaganda regarding Canaan people that has zero to do with the invented nation of Palestinians. As for Christians in Israel, in fact not in invention it is the only Christians thriving in the whole Middle east and their numbers growing. Their churches are protected and all religions are safe in Israel and only in Israel including the Bahai, and any stream of Islam that might be in danger anywhere else if found out. Israeli Druzes love Israel so much that they all enlist in the Israeli army to defend their country, Israel. Find somebody else to talk to. I have nothing to learn from your fantasmagories.

{And Abraham sojourned many days in the land of the Philistines. בְּאֶרֶץ פְּלִשְׁתִּים }Gen 21:34 The question is why do you name it ISRAEL ( after the name of our biological blood father Jacob the Israel), when Most if NOT all of you are genetically Proven to be GOYIM fake jews,not blood related to Jacob Israel ? ! ! !

Plus do you know that there is NO one single word ” Jew יְהוּדִי‎ ” in the “Allegedly” five books of Moses? •When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודיIt is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People.There never was Jewish people

If those  AshkiNAZIgoyim  Jews exploited their fellow mizrahi in the 1960s, using them for Human Experimen (read Ringworm affair) . What would you expect from a brutal Nazi euganic entity do to those  Christians Gentiles?

One only has to look to Nigeria, where Christian Churches are being bombed on a weekly basis whilst the people are praying

Reply to Eitan..guss who is behind the problem between The Christians and Muslims
 
TALMUD Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there}…
Goyim reptilian Jews..   Never DISCLOSE their reptilian TRUE nature to you…that is FACT…They (like serpent/DEVIL) always come change their SKINS and disguised as Muslims Shia muslims Sunni..Catholics, American Patriots, Hindus, Atheist , Hassidic or even Aliens….To play GAMES

Two options are available for those zionist goyim jews reptilian shape shifters:-1. Either Goyim Jews have to ACCEPT THE ONE STATE SOLOUTION FOR ALL OF ITS CITIZENS .2.Or leave our own home land PALESTINE go to HELL, and never attempt to come back again.•Apartheid “ethnocracy “,and “eugenic” NAZI entity of Israel MUST BE PUT TO END.

Islam combined with the total hatred of so-called Palestinians is out to destroy Israel and Christians.

Reply to Goyim Jews goy Jo Jos

Well Before the Quran revealed to Muhammad PBUH ,Adolf YHWH in his Mein Kampf (the bible ) ”’DT 20:18 “In the cities of the nations the YHWH is  giving you to be in your possession , do not leave alive anything that breathes, completely destroy “.”’This DT 20:18 ALONE Make Hitler looks timid

If those GOYIM Europeans Jews(Ashke-NAZI and/or IBERIAN ORIGIN Sephardim) are “SEMITIC”, and HEBREWS” true descendants of our biological blood grand father Eber עֵבֶר the Arab, then “ARAB” like me MUST be German, since I or(we Arabs)genetically DO NOT SHARE any DNA heritage with those GOYIM EUROPEAN JEWS. We are genetically proven
NOT to be related, and we Arabs are the cousins of ourselves.

Goyim Jews must go back to Europe to where they  belong

Read about Ringworm affair where more that 20,000 Mizrahi/Arab Jewish child were gived 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his/her head to recognize the Nazi Nature of the Zioinist entity.

Nazi Israel used Arab Jews as Guinea pigs..

Goyim Jews go back to europe to where U REALLY BELONG

AshkiNAZI GOYIM jews are illigal settlers here in our Land

First, read your Christian Bible. You will not find in it “The West Bank.”

Reply to this Goy Jo Jo / Goyi Jew

•{And Abraham sojourned many days in the land of the Philistines. בְּאֶרֶץ פְּלִשְׁתִּים }Gen 21:34
The question is why do you name it ISRAEL ( after the name of our biological blood father Jacob the Israel), when Most if NOT all of you are genetically Proven to be GOYIM fake jews,not blood related to Jacob Israel ? ! ! !

 
Plus do you know that there is NO one single word ” Jew יְהוּדִי‎ ” in the “Allegedly” five books of Moses?

Where is the word  Jew יְהוּדִי‎  is being mentioned in The Khomesh ” The Alleged Torah of Moses?

 
Where is the word ” JEWיהודי ” being mentioned when Abraham got his covenant?

•When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודיIt is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People.There never  was  Jewish people
Goyim Jews go back to Europe to where U belong

Abraham entered the Holy Land approximately 2000 years before Jesus

Read the Bible

Genesis 17:7 “…Will establish my COVENANT between me and THEE and THY SEED after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee…., all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.’”

And the Bible explicitly states Ishmael was “THY SEED.” Gen. 21:13
“And also the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation because HE IS THY SEED.”

And the Bible explicitly states Ishmael was “THY SEED.”

Gen. 21:13 “And also the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation because HE IS THY SEED.”

Plus do you know that there is NO one single word ” Jew יְהוּדִי‎ ” in the “Allegedly” five books of Moses?

Where is the word  Jew יְהוּדִי‎  is being mentioned in The Khomesh ” The Alleged Torah of Moses? 

Where is the word ” JEWיהודי ” being mentioned when Abraham got his covenant?•When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודיIt is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People.There never  was  Jewish people

Goyim Jews go back to Europe to where U belong
Where is the word  Jew יְהוּדִי‎  is being mentioned in The Khomesh ” The Alleged Torah of Moses?
 Where is the word ” JEWיהודי ” being mentioned when Abraham got his covenant?

•When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודיIt is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People.There never  was  Jewish people

Goyim Jews go back to Europe to where U belong

Most if not all,early Zionist like “David Ben Gurion”, Asher “Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (Ehad Ha’am)”and “Yitzhak Ben Zvi” and many others believed and accepted the fact that, the “Palestinians Arabs” are the true descendants of the “original Judeans” whom inhabited the land. They believed that some of the Judeans had converted to Christianity and particularly “Jamesian “and “Nazarenes” forms of Christianity in the 4th century, while the vast majority later embraced Islam during the 7th century and became what you call us today the “Palestinian Arabs “.

Jews are NOT Israelites. Israelites defined to be the biological blood descendants of man name Jacob Gen 35:11-12, while Jew is anyone whom adhere to the faith of Judaism( aka jewishness) regardless of his or her race.

Two options are available for those zionist goyim jews reptilian shape shifters:-
1. Either Goyim Jews have to ACCEPT THE ONE STATE SOLOUTION FOR ALL OF ITS CITIZENS

.2.Or leave our own home land PALESTINE go to HELL, and never attempt to come back again.

•Apartheid “ethnocracy “,and “eugenic” NAZI entity of Israel MUST BE PUT TO END.

Poupic says:

There is no such a thing as “Arab Jews.” Jews were in the land at least a millennia before any Arab came out of Arabia. By the way, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi who’s teachings where adopted later and screwed up. He lived in the land of Israel that the Romans called Palestine. Stop the Fantazia and get back to reality.

I stand with Jesus who was Jewish

Reply

Jesus had said { THOSE WHO LOVES ME FOLLOW MY TEACHINGS }John 14:24

Show me where did Jesus by his OWN WORD, had said that he is a Jew?

There is no  single Biblical passage where Jesus  is explicitly reported to have claimed to be Jew.

This  parallels the silence concerning the issue of  defininition of the word Jew.

Do you know that there is NO one single word ” Jew יְהוּדִי‎ “  being mentioned in the “Allegedly” five books of Moses?
When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודי
It is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People.There never was Jewish people.

Many if not all geneticists appears to match Arab israelis and Palestinians to be descendants( if not the DIRECT descendants) of core population that lived in the area since prehistoric time. Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinians “Muslim Arabs ” are the descendants
from Christians and REAL JUDEANS who lived in the southern Levant, a region that include Sinai Israel, and Jordan.

•Most if not all,early Zionist like “David Ben Gurion”, Asher “Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (Ehad Ha’am)”and “Yitzhak Ben Zvi” and many others believed and accepted the fact that, the “Palestinians Arabs” are the true descendants of the “original Judeans” whom inhabited the land. They believed that some of the Judeans had converted to Christianity and particularly “Jamesian “and “Nazarenes” forms of Christianity in the 4th century, while the vast majority later embraced Islam during the 7th century and became what you call us today the “Palestinian Arabs “.

•Expulsion is a HOAX.
It NEVER happened.Romans did not bring down their 747 Jumbo jets,aircraft carriers, TGV Trains to expel the Judeans(Arab Palestinians) from Palestine 2000 years ago.

•Most Jews are Goyim(gentiles) not Israelites. All Autosomal, Paternal and Maternal DNA tests being done, reveal and confirm the European origin of the Ashkenazim and Safardim Jews.

Poupic says:

Your real name must be Thomas! First name Helene. Right?

AngelaJo says:

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Yes I know the word Jewish is not mentioned in the 5. Yes I know what rome did. But you know what I am saying. The situation we have here and I say we because you are now envolved is something else all together. Are you wanting to cause trouble? That is not where I am coming from, causing trouble, like you might be. I work on many different levels, but all of them point to truth and then peace. Jesus was not Irish etc etc etc. Hear oh Israel love the lord your god……………..love your neighbor as yourself. I am wondering are you loving me right now?

JEWISH
His Jewish wife bore Jered the 1Ch 4:18 3057
wives against their Jewish brothers. Ne 5:1 3064
have redeemed our Jewish brothers who Ne 5:8 3064
begun to fall, is of Jewish origin, Es 6:13 3064
carried into exile 745 Jewish people; Jer 52:30 3064
he sent some Jewish elders asking Him Lk 7:3 2453
for the Jewish custom of purification, Jn 2:6 2453
of the Jewish day of preparation, Jn 19:42 2453
and gave many alms to the Jewish Ac 10:2
the Jewish people were expecting.” Ac 12:11 2453
a Jewish false prophet whose name was Ac 13:6 2453
of a Jewish woman who was a believer, Ac 16:1 2453
But also some of the Jewish exorcists, Ac 19:13 2453
of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, Ac 19:14 2453
rescuing you from the Jewish people Ac 26:17
to proclaim light both to the Jewish Ac 26:23
not paying attention to Jewish myths Ti 1:14 2451

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jesusthepalestinian wrote, in response to AngelaJo:

I stand with Jesus who was Jewish

Reply

Jesus had said { THOSE WHO LOVES ME FOLLOW MY TEACHINGS }John 14:24

Show me where did Jesus by his OWN WORD, had said that he is a Jew?

There is no single Biblical passage where Jesus is explicitly reported to have claimed to be Jew.

This parallels the silence concerning the issue of defininition of the word Jew.

Do you know that there is NO one single word ” Jew יְהוּדִי‎ ” being mentioned in the “Allegedly” five books of Moses?
When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודי
It is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People.There never was Jewish people.

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 The only problem with your comment is that most of the present day  arabs residing in Israel and the West Bank are descended from arabs and other moslems who migrated into the region during the past 100 years. They are descendants of Egyptians, Syrians, Turks, North Africans, Chechens, Iraqis and so forth. They have no relation whatsoever to the ancient Canaanites.

 I usually don’t respond to obvious nutjobs but let me educate you on the subject of DNA and genetics. Every DNA study undertaken over the past 20 yrs confirms that ALL Jews, Ashenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi are ALL closely related genetically to each other. They are ALL descendants of the ancient Israel and share common DNA haplotypes. In other words they ALL originated in the ancient region now known as Israel. And that, my ignorant friend, is the fact. Most arabs are ALL descended from arabs and other moslems who migrated into the region between WW1 and WW2 in search of work. They are newcomers who are descended from Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Turks, Chechens, North Africans and other foreigners.

paul delano says:

 They would side with their own people, the Jews, against the murderous cult followers who conquered the Middle East and who believe that blowing themselves up among men, women and children is pleasing to their god whom they call allah.

paul delano says:

 Yes, they have lived alongside each other with the muslims as master and the christians as dhimmis. Unfortunately, many arab christians are as equally anti-Jewish as the muslims have always been. If you are indeed christian, you are a very stupid one. Ask any of your Christian brothers and sisters in Iraq and now Syria what hat is happening to them. AAnd the decreasing christian presence is because of muslim harassment. If you deny this you are a liar. In Gaza, in the PA christians are being subjected to increasing pressure and harassment from musilms causing them to have to leave their traditional strongholds.

paul delano says:

     Here are some popular Palestinian Arab surnames, and their meaning in English:

    al-Masri – the Egyptian
    al-Mughrabi – the Moroccan
    al-Djazair – the Algerian
    al-Yamani – the Yemeni
    al-Afghani – the Afghan
    al-Turki – the Turk
    al-Hindi – the Indian
    al-Hourani – the Hauranite (from southern Syria)
    al-Kurdi – the Kurd
el-Mughrabi – the Moroccan
   Tarabulsi (from Tarabulus-Tripoli in Lebanon),
 Husseini (from Jordan)
and Saudi (from Saudi Arabia)

 I have yet to hear of anyone with the surname “al-Filastini.”

How odd that such last names are so common among those claiming to be “Palestinians.”

Basically, today’s so called “Palestinians” who, up to the 1960s were referred to either as South Syrians prior to the 1920s, or plain Arabs, or more specifically Palestine Arabs, after the French removed Emir Faisal, from Damascus in 1920 since the late 1960s have adopted this title to be theirs exclusively comprise a salad mixture of: Syrian Arabs, Saudi Arabs, Sudanese [Afro-]Arabs, Egyptian, Turkish, Kurdish, Bosnian, Algerian and others which explains their surnames – telling of their origin/original land.

His Jewish wife bore Jered the 1Ch 4:18 3057
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AngelaJo

Jesus says NOTHING in 1Ch 4:18

1Ch 4:18  is the word of Paul

Jesus had said { THOSE WHO LOVES ME FOLLOW MY TEACHINGS }John 14:24

Show me where did Jesus by his OWN WORD, had said that he is a Jew?

There is no  single Biblical passage where Jesus  is explicitly reported to have claimed to be Jew.

ALL Jews, Ashenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi are ALL closely related

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Can you tell me Jews are all closely related t whom? to each other?!!!!..That  necessary wont  make them ISRAELITES.

According to YHWH in bible Gen 35:11-13 defined  an Israelite to be the ” DIRECT BIOLOGICAL DESCENDANTS OF JACOB”.

Meaning if you are not Direct biological blood descendants of Jacob(Talking about specific Y DNA inherited from Jacob), then you are a GOY Jew( Goy Jo Jo) or Gentile dog (according to Jesus Matthew15:22-28 ) even if it happen to be a Jew. 

But if  there is no such thing as homogeneous “Jewish DNA “( European- R1b1,Slavs R1a1, Armenians, Kurds,Hun, & Uigur -J2, Ethiopian- A2, Amaziq- E3B1,Georgian -G all of different paternal Y-DNA haplogroups ), could all those Goyim Jews then be called Israelites from Jacob Gen35:11-12 ? ! Only one or none ,but NOT all of these of Y-DNA haplogroups bearers belong to Jacob .And that one “paternal” haplpogroup according to Genesis (35:11-12) must come directly from Jacob, not his brother or uncle, but only from one man named Jacob in order to be defined as an Israelite.The question is how can U or they prove that ?

•{And Abraham sojourned many days in the land of the Philistines. בְּאֶרֶץ פְּלִשְׁתִּים }Gen 21:34

Palestinian is any one who is born in Palestine.

 
Define me who is a Jew( מיהו יהודי)?  why Jews are Not mentioned in the Abrahamic covenants

Why Ishmael, Israel, even Palestine was mentioned  in the alleged five books of Mose where as your invented names never being mentioned?

 And why do you name it ISRAEL ( after the name of our biological blood father Jacob the Israel), when Most if NOT all of you are genetically Proven to be GOYIM fake jews,not blood related to Jacob Israel ? ! !

BTW Jesus is Anti Rabbi whom were Palestinians

lol…Jewess Shiksha

Tell me about the “RING WARM” affair and how more than 20,000 ARAB JEWS  were tortured and backed(using them as guinea pigs by exposing them extreme  X-Ray and radiation matterials in the fiftes and the  sixties) by your goyim AshkiNAZI people?!!!

And why donot you tell us how Zionisteexecutors of the Shem Tov synagogue and other bombings in Iraq belonged to the Jewish Ultra Zionists Groups ….Zionism Killed many Iraqi Arab Jews too. let alone mentioning how Zionism conspired and with Nazism to force Goy European Jews to Palestine

TALMUD Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there}
Goyim reptilian Jews..   Never DISCLOSE their reptilian TRUE nature to anyone…that is FACT…They (like serpent/DEVIL) always come change their SKINS and disguised as Muslims Shia muslims Sunni..Catholics, American Patriots, Hindus, Atheist , Hassidic or even Aliens….To play GAMES

 

Most Jews are Goyim(gentiles) not Israelites. All Autosomal, Paternal and Maternal DNA tests being done, reveal and confirm the European origin of the Ashkenazim and Safardim Jews
 

Cassandra Victoria

Do Not Rejoice, because occupations do not last.
 
You ( and all Goyim jews like you) are a fictious and illigal entity. You are not a people, but an Invention.

So stop talking fiction/lies, and tell us why did you burn more than 20,000 Arab jews(Arab with Jewish faith) in the fifties and sixties?

Read about  ” THE RING WARM AFFAIR” where AshkiNAZIS had ROASTED ARAB JEWS in the Oven of X-Ray experiment champers

Paul delano

Are you a Shabath Goy(slave gentile), or a Goy Jew(goy jo jo) pretending to be Christian.

Sorry boy But we do NOT want to be Shabath slaves like U  in OUR OWN LAND  to those Goyim AshkiNAZI jews whom slaving your body as well as your mind.

If Jesus were alive today, He would prefer to live with the oppressed Muslim and Christian Palestinians rather than live with Jews whose ancestors were the ones who put Him on the cross.

paul delano says:

 If Jesus were alive today he woud prefer to live among his own people, the Jews, instead of the fascist and intolerant moslems who are infected with the murderous ideology of their cult founder, Mohammed.

All genetic studies of blood group and serum markers reveal that Jewish
groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between
paired Jewish populations.Do you understand the English language? ‘Middle Eastern’ origin for ALL Jews. There is no doubt among educated people that their is an unbroken line from Abraham thru Jacob thru the ancient Israelites and continuing with the modern-day Jewish peoples.

phinazh says:

Read your Bible again. Both Isaac and Ishmael are seeds of Abraham.

phinazh says:

When did the Israelites became Jews? Do the word Jew came from the name Judah? Is Judah the only Israelite? What about the other seeds of Jacob?

The only problem with your comment is that most of the present day  Jews occupying Palestine  are  Goyim  who occupied  the region during the past 60 years. They are descendants of converted Khazars,Slavs,Russians Ibrids Turks, North Africans, Amaziq Chechens,Kurds Iranians and so forth. They have no relation whatsoever to the ancient Canaanites, Israelites or even the Semitic Arabs (Whom Abraham came from)

paul delano says:

The word Jew became common during the Babylonia exile that occured
between 576BC to about 500BC. Some think it might be a
reduction of the name of the tribe of Judah, which made
up the bulk of the Babylonian exile – the rest (except for Benjamin) had
been dispersed in the Assyrian exile of 789 (or so) BC. All the tribes making up the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah are ‘Jews.’

‘Point 1

Middle Eastern’ origin for ALL Jews

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Kurds Iranian Turks, Arminian all have ‘Middle Eastern’ does that make them.

Does that make them Israelite?

Point  2

There is no doubt among educated people that their is an unbroken line from Abraham thru Jacob thru the ancient Israelites

Prove it? ..

If NOT, then

•Two options are available for those zionist goyim jews reptilian shape shifters:-

1. Either Goyim Jews have to ACCEPT THE ONE STATE SOLOUTION FOR ALL OF ITS CITIZENS .

2.Or leave our own home land PALESTINE go to HELL, and never attempt to come back again.

•Apartheid “ethnocracy “,and “eugenic” NAZI entity of Israel MUST BE PUT TO END.

paul delano says:

 Ben gurion was referring to those ‘arabs’ whose history in the area could be traced back thousands of years and who still incorporated Jewish rituals in their life. They are a very small minority of the current arab population who are descended from arabs, North Africans and other moslems who migrated in to the region mostly between the first and second World Wars.

paul delano says:

 Trying to educate this fool is futile. He/she is an obvious nutjob.

 Read your bible agian

Read your Bible again …Only One of  8 Abraham direct sons was named SEED

Poupic says:

No, he is not a nut job. He is a regular Arab refugee now called Palestinian who learned in school that Jesus was an Arab and That Jews were an invented people that do not belong in Palestine. “The Palestinians belong in Palestine because they are descendants of the Canaanites even though Arabs came out of Arabia millennia’s after there were non- longer Canaan people to be found anywhere. He repeat what he has heard all of his life. This teaching in Arabic is usually called Fantazia by Arabs in the know but they can’t say it out loud fearing for their life. They would be called collaborators and shot in the market place for all to learn to behave or else.

” I have yet to hear of anyone with the surname “al-Filastini.”"

Genius here forgot to mention these surnames:

al-Maqdisi (Jerusalem)
al-Ramlawi (Ramle)
al-Khalili (Hebron)
al-Nabulsi (Nablus)
al-Ghazzawi (Gaza)
al-Safadi
al-Yafi

 The ‘Khazar’ theory was discredited long ago by DNA studies. Please try to educate yourself unless you enjoy being the poster boy for a moron.

 1) No, because their DNA is not as closely related to Jewish DNA as Jewish DNA is related between ALL Jews.

2)’
There is no doubt among educated people that their is an unbroken line from Abraham thru Jacob thru the ancient Israelites

Prove it? ..’

Prove it’s not.

 Thank you for Acknowledging, ‘Jesusthepalestinian’, that ‘Palestinian’ has always referred to the Jews. It was only after the ’67 war that the arabs decided to call themselves ‘palestinians’ as part of a propaganda campaign.

Indeed, Jesus was a Jew living in Palestine. I do not think, however, he would look upon the murderous and intolerant moslems who have always oppressed his people, the Jews, with any sympathy.

paul delano says:

 So what does that prove, genius? That a few arabs who came from other countries named themselves after the city they settled in. Hebrew University found that he surnames listed are far more common in Israel than the ones you mentioned. It is a known fact that most of the present day population in Gaza are of Egyptian origin and Hebron is one of the most ancient and holy Jewish cities in Israel.

paul delano says:

 Following are excerpts from an address by Hamas Minister of the Interior
and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March
23, 2012.

[...] Thus, the conspiracy is very clear. Al-Aqsa and the land of
Palestine represent the spearhead for Islam and for the Muslims.
Therefore, when we seek the help of our Arab brothers, we are not
seeking their help in order to eat, to live, to drink, to dress, or to
live a life of luxury. No. When we seek their help, it is in order to
continue to wage Jihad.

[...]

Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian, in
Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots – whether from
Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. So where is
your affection and mercy?

[...]

Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More
than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"].
Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are
Saudis.

Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri,
whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from
Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We
are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims. We are a part of you….

It proves that you’re afraid of anyone identifying themselves with Palestine.

 So, Jesus is supposed to command the blitzkrieg?

1) There is Nothing called Jewish DNA because the word Jew itself is an Invention not even being mentioned in the alleged five books of Moses.

And what is  Jacob/Israel Y-DNA?

2) There is no doubt among what?  educated  people?!!

Do U want us to believe that people like U whom believe that cosmos was created in less than 6000 years are educated people?!!

Superdust says:

The slander against Christian supporters of Israel is disgusting. Christians don’t support Israel because they believe its existence will lead to the second coming of Christ and the conversion of all the Jews to Christianity. 

The noise made by Palestinian Christians is loud certainly, but in no way reflects the real Palestinian narrative which are very Islamic in nature. The current Palestinian constitution explicitly identifies Islam as the official religion.

It is hard to take anything Palestinians say seriously because there is no freedom of speech in the West Bank or Gaza. Arabs are killed for selling land to Jews. Christian Arabs have better relations with Jews, and Christian citizens of Israel have more rights than in any Muslim or Arab nation.

In fact, Israel is the only nation with a positive-growing Christian community. 

At no point have any of these Christian pro-Israel movements insisted that their support for Israel is quid pro quo. There is nothing in the Christian charter that suggests support for Israel is based on some biblical B.S. Christian support for Israel is based on a honest expression of Christian support for Jews and God’s promises to them. 

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT PARTNERING WITH JEWS TO CONVERT THEM. 

I’m no Christian but I find these new attempts to victimize the Palestinians with a Christian slant are pathetic. Maybe Palestinians should start joining the 21st century rather than peddling their false narrative to steal more tax money from the EU, US, and UN? 

Superdust says:

you’re an idiot. Palestinians are Arabs, not decedents of Jews or Jesus. 

Notice  Ihave  never said that Jews are  ONLY Khazar.

If Jews come from Khazars, that will make them  a People/Nation, with common origin,common language, and heritage. but the fact is Jews are not people or nation  but a GOLEM of CONVERTED GOYIMS.

The Term ” GOYIM JEWS ” is the reality. Jews NOT from Jacob( Israel). No such thing as homogeneous “Jewish DNA”. Take their Paternal ones and you have( EuropeanR1b1- SlavsR1a1 Kurds -J2, Ethiopian- A2, Amaziq- E3B1, a high frequency of Georgian, or Ossetian, G2c Y-DNA haplogroups, etc), let alone the Autosomal,and Metarnel ones which all confiem the GOYIM(GENTILE) ORIGIN OF JEWS, HENCE THE NAME GOYIM(Gentile) JEWS,CONVERTED JEWS FROM NATIONS.

So please be rational ,stop the duckand dive tactics and insering wordsthat  never been said unless you enjoy being the poster boy for a moron.
 

Jews do not accpet Jesus is the Christ, do christian consider them Infidels or not?

Paula  Are you a gentile dog (Shabbath Goy)  or a Goyi Jew ( Goy JO JO)? or someone who has been lead to believe he lives in a secular country, which INFACT blindly and (spiritually) is enslaved and indorses the fascist entity called Israel ?!
Please respond to these if you can! As well as the following interrelated points. Perhaps you together with your colleagues should start to free yourselves, and abolish the NAZI entity of Israel that has enslaved you.It was established by your countries only based biblical grounds,which for example sanctions and endorses the following crimes against humanity :-· DEATH to apostate, DT13:7-12,17:2-7,Ex22:20,Lev24 :16..· Honor killingDt22:13-29,· killing Homosexuals Lev 20:13· RAPING Little gentile Girls NUM31:17-18· Mass genocides of innocents DT 20:16-18.
All these self evident crimes are uniquely prescribed in the Bible which makes Hitler’s “Mine kampf” look timid in comparison. Both of these standards are emphatically condemnable from the Quranic teachings. Moreover the blind support that has been givenby your secular £,$, Yen , Euros … etc has been used to support this Nazi entity of Israel despite the lack of any other evidence outside the bible. That isyour taxes support myth and legends of the Bible.

 So the real question from these is do you agree with the current claim that certain countries are actually secular (by alleging a separation between church and state) is a fact ? or have they in reality hoodwinked you and hijacked your mind?!
 Please comment,and show your awareness of THE ACTUALREALITY OF YOUR EXISTANCE, instead of naively commenting on a book like the Quran which you are completely detached from, and do not believe in anyway.
I keenly wait for your response, but DO NOT REJOICE until you have shown you have a “free mind”.
:+D

1PierreMontagne1 says:

In Canada we have seen 70 years of “the Marxist Social gospel” slowly hi-jacking the evanglelical churches.  It has been very effective in changing the face of Canadian Chrsitianityin every way.  In particualr there has been a change from one of recognizing Israel and Judaisms enemies into one of confusion even to the point of regualrly raising cash to fund any PLO activities against Israel.  This seems to be in an effort to appease or to find a common ground with Islam and even discusing with Islamic leaders a new blended Religion called “Chrislam”.   Unfortunately the only real common grond seems to be this growth in evangelical tolerance towards Hating Israel and being silent on anti-semitism 

Simon1257 says:

The irony of course being that we were persecueted for millenia for being too much the Semitic Hebrews, and now dingleberry over here wants to establish that we – our history and traditions – do not actually exist. You are right that Judaism is a religion as well as an ethnicity and a culture. You are right that over thousands of years of exile we mixed with the local populace. There is also plenty of cultural cohesiveness, and DNA evidence that contradicts your pseudo-scientific imaginings.  No, the Palestinians are not the original Hebrews. There may be a bit of original Canaanite and even Jewish geneology, but the vast majority are Arabs who came from elsewhere and that too is provable in family histories and DNA.
Ultimately, what is the validity of your point, however? That Jews have no business in the Holy Land? Only Arabs? Perhaps it is time to accept that both sides have deep history and roots that need to be mutually respected. Your position is one of a political lunatic in complete denial of another people’s legitimate bond to its homeland.

Simon1257 says:

Not really. Firing rockets indiscriminetly at Jewish civilian towns is terrorism. Firing fromwithin your own densely populated areas, even encouraging children to be present during the firing is a crime against all humanity.  So is all of the far more lethal attacks committed by so-called Palestinian Jihadi/Shahid “resistance fighters. I would be ashamed of every single one of your so called shahids who tried to act like animals and (fortunately) in most cases failed killing only themselves. Your people call them heroes. That makes you celebrate scum who tried to kill civilians. Israelis don’t celebrate like that when collatoral deaths occur due to YOUR embrace of your own population as human shields. You really aren’t fooling anyone.
Gaza War statistics were inflated, and this was covered by Reuters, CNN, etc. Like most propaganda fighting your people do. Ultimately, you are not even aware of how much propaganda you are swallowing. STOP blaming the “occupation” for everything. Think about the fact that Jews and Arabs are going to either live together or fight. Which would you prefer? Accept each other and live in peace. There are two sides to that equation, and you have accepted only blaming the other for everything.

Simon1257 says:

That is true, but neither is following a one-sided Palestinian political narrative going to be conducive to peace and brotherhood. Nor does it acknowledge the basic right of Jews to live in the Holy Land, something the current Palestinian consensus completely and viciously rejects.

How can Christian Palestinians claiming to be the voice of truth embrace the idea that Jews have no business in the Holy Land? I understand the political motivation, but to me, with respect for their plight, that makes them hypocrites. These good people could be a force for unity and example of brotherhood. By and large, they are not, and live under either the illusion of Muslim Palestinian sympathy or they fear to speak up and say otherwise. Too bad. I wish all parties peace, but do not tolerate the over-simplified and one-sided false witness against the Jews. Stop being political pawns and become a force for unity and brotherhood. Stand for a deeper truth than the easy one. Stand for something inspiring to EVERYONE.

 Jesus is alive today.  He is alive and well in heaven and ready to exert kingly power over the earth.  Daniel 2:44.

KKRDB says:

Boo,hoo the Evangelicals are rethinking Support for Israel..

Gee who woulda toughtsa …

It seems to me the PLOT is being hatched by the  Christian Palestinian who in effect are trying to demonize Israel as their HIDDEN agenda.

That “some” Evangelicals are rethiking makes me laugh out LOUD.

Israel is the ONLY democratic country trying to survive in a :

SEE OF SHARKS… Defending itself from the aformentioned “sharks” that are  trying to annihilate it

The FACT the Christian clergy (in Jerusalem) Are against Israel is not a new phenomenon.

While they have the security through the IDF pursuing their life freely & peacefully

 their cynicism is abhorent & not surprising.

Worry not dear Evangelical Christians we will continue to flourish & thrive irrespectively

of your attitudes toward Israel.

·         The irony of course being that we were persecueted
 
RESPONE
 
·         So are you saying that it is OK to persecute us, simply because of your  alleged mythica“ persecution”? Are you the ONLY ones who being persecuted?
 
·         for millenia for being too much the Semitic
 
RESPONSE
 
Well If GOYIM Europeans Jews like  are “SEMITIC”, and HEBREWS” true descendants of our biological blood grand father Eber עֵבֶר the Arab, then “ARAB” like me MUST be German, since I or(we Arabs)genetically DO NOT SHARE any DNA heritage with those GOYIM EUROPEAN(AshkiNAZI and Iberian Sephardic. We are genetically proven NOT to be related, and we Arabs are the cousins of ourselves.
 
·         You are right that Judaism is a religion as well as an ethnicity and a culture
 
RESPONSE
So what is your definition of the word “ethnicity” and what common culture ( language, history, Arts, Music, traditions, Ancestry) Jews have?
 
·         There is also plenty of cultural cohesiveness, and DNA evidence that contradicts your pseudo-scientific imaginings.
 
RESPONSE
 
Bring your so called “cultural cohesiveness “, but before doing so we have  two question.
 
a)What is your definition of the world  TRUTH / FACTS?
b)What STANDARD/S you use for measuring what you believe to be TRUTH/FACT?
 
Once these two  issues have been clarified I would be happy to fully address the new points you raise. That is: the difference between what is “scientific” and what is “imaginings”
 
 
·         No, the Palestinians are not the original Hebrews.
 
RESPONS
 
Are  you and those GOYIM  AshkiNAZIS  truly believed yourselves  to be Hebrews? Why don’t you  take a look at the mirror mate ?
 
 Look at the bible Gen 10, to see who are the Hebrews. They are Arabs, the descendants of Eber עֵבֶר who is the ancestor of Abraham Genesis 14:13 .Abraham is HebrewEber עֵבֶר ” (Gen 14:13) this the father of Abrahamites (e.g Israelites, Ishmaelites, Zimranites, Jokshanites, Medanites, Midianites, Ishbakites, and Shuahites Genesis 25:2) and they are All Arabs….. Eber עֵבֶר is also distant Father of the Qahtanites (e.g Hazarmavethites, Havilahlies, Jobabites , Qahtanites whom all are considered to be Arab tribes Gen 10:26. So we ” ARABS “are Hebrews from Qahtanites ,And Hebrews from Abrahamites  ,while AshkiNAZIS according to bible Gen 10:2 are Goyim from Japheth brothers of Gog and Megog
 
Plus Most if not all,early mafia Zionist  leaders like “David Ben Gurion”, Asher “Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (Ehad Ha’am)”and “Yitzhak Ben Zvi” and many others believed and accepted the fact that, the “Palestinians Arabs” are the true descendants of  what you call them the “original Judeans and Samaritans” whom whom inhabited the land. They believed that some of the Judeans had converted to Christianity and particularly “Jamesian “and “Nazarenes” forms of Christianity in the 4th century, while the vast majority later embraced Islam during the 7th century and became what you call us today the “Palestinian Arabs “.
 
·         Ultimately, what is the validity of your point, however? That Jews have no business in the Holy Land? Only Arabs?
 
Yes Jews do not have business in the Holy Land that if it is the Holy land that is prescribed in the Holy texts, that is because the covenant given to Abraham is to Abraham and his SEED.
Genesis 17:7 “…Will establish my COVENANT between me and THEE and THY SEEDזָרְעֲך after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee…., all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.’”)
And the Bible explicitly states Ishmael is “THY SEED זָרְעֲך.”
“ ..the Son of the bondwoman … IS THY SEED.” Gen. 21:13
THERE IS NO ONE SINGLE WORD “ JEW יְהוּדִי‎”  IN THE COVENANT.
Therefore  the Ultimately, validity of our point is
Either Goyim Jews have to ACCEPT THE ONE STATE SOLOUTION FOR ALL OF ITS CITIZENS .2.Or leave our own home land PALESTINE go to HELL, and never attempt to come back again.•Apartheid “ethnocracy “,and “eugenic” NAZI entity of Israel MUST BE PUT TO END.

KKRDB says:

To above talking bovine scatology…

Jesus was killed by the romans when HE (Jesus) & the deciples that acted against Rome as “INSURGENTS” calling, announcing Jesus “king of the Jew”s

So,it was Pointus Pilot the governer of Judea decided to put a stop to the insurgents and it was he(pilot) Who condemn Jesus cruxifying him

Incidetly when Simon/Peter (as predicted by Jesus) that he would deny him THRICE & the Cock crowed? Remember?

 Sorry, its so funny because:FOWL was prohibited in THE PRECINCTS

 OF JERUSALEM.

Additionally the Jewish Court would hardly (kill ) on a Sabbath,or specifically

during Passover.

Typical twisting the REAL narrative.You you will not win any brownie points
(LIER) 

 If you really are a Christian I recommend stopping your FALSE accusations.

KKRDB says:

To above:What the responder forgets is the FACT Judea& Samaria

and its Environs have been Jewish LONG BEFORE there was Islam.

The  names he proferred are inacurate and he is talking through the back of his head making up stories as he goes along to prove nothing but BS.

Judaism dates back long before there was such religion/Cult called Islam. As for the socalled towns etc he mentioned were Jewish NOT
arab..

Your point was better written/explained.

I tend to get frustrated when reading such unadulterated rubbish.

KKRDB says:

AND I SUGGEST YOU CONSULT WITH A PSYCHIARTICE TO HAVE

YOUR HEAD EXAMINED.

IN THIS (your idiotic reply) SHOWS WHAT A N ANTI ISRAEL BIASED

AND IGNORANT –RANTING BELONGS?

PERHAPS IN “A LOONY BIN”?

Genesis 12:3 Talk about Abraham and his SEED.

There is NO word Israel let alone Jew in the text or the context of the verse.
”’for I (YHWH) will make him ( Ishmael) into a great nation”. (Genesis 17:20, 21:18”’)……..

The contrasting fact that Isaac was promised to be ”’“nations”’” not one nation (Gen. 17:16) crucially means that ”’Ishmael”’ alone ultimately fulfils God’s first promise to ”’Abraham in Genesis 12:2, i.e. “..I will make you (Abraham) into a great nation..”.”’ This promise was repeated in Genesis 18:18 as “Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him”.

KKRDB says:

You say:Where is the word ” JEWיהודי ” being mentioned when Abraham got his covenant?

Right you are of course.

Reason is that: None of them were called Jews until the Covenant with God whereby  they had to BE CIRCUMSIZED.

Once that was done they were Jews in the EYES of  OUR LORD GOD OF ISRAEL

You are so hateful you only  know how to rant  shame really.

Your choice accept it or not
ONLY JEWS WERE ACCEPTED BY GOD..

You lot are the REAL INVENTED PEOPLE..

Not so Jews/Israel

What is more you (even gentiles) HAVE STOLEN NOT ONLY OUR IDENTITY BUT ALL OUR NAMES.

Think about it ,it will clear the cobwebs of your distorted mindset typical of most arabs

With the exception of the good & liberally thinking Arabs who would shun you forever..

You (personally )ARE A DISGRACE.

KKRDB says:

You say Quoted:”Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thy self.”

Well Jesus taught his deciples ALL from the Jewish Holy bible never deviated from it.

Your quote above comes from where?

It is FROM THE DECALOGUE..Surely you must know agree.

Everything Jesus said CAME from our Holy Bible..

Does anyone know the passage of the Syrian woman asking Jesus for help & his reply?

He said constantly: I have come for my People,would not give the crumbs to  any gentile.
Point of FACT he abhorred gentiles.

So much for some who distorts exactly what Jesus  in reality meant.

Truthfully Jesus was a Jew nothing more or less.

Having said this let us remember nothing is straight forward
 

There were two splintered groups after the demize of Jesus.
In fighting that took a long time.

Ther ones in Jerusalem versus the others.

As for the NT there has been several translations edited after the death of Jesus that bears NO resemblance on  the FACTS on the ground.

Remember how Shaul/Paul demonized him ,until his so-called vision on his way to Damascus?

Hokus,pokus is being written here by some without any cogent interpretation………..

Remember Simon/Peter captured in Rome?
loving Shimon/Peter asked to be cruxified UP SIDE DOWN.

Do some of you still accuse Jews for the killing of Jesus
When in effect it happened in Rome  no Jew in sight.

Nothing is CLEARCUT as we surmise.

Think about it….

KKRDB says:

Methinks some Christians,Evangelical or not have forgotten that Jesus has already returned..

Christians (if they think with their minds instead if their unworthy hearts) 

Would know that Jesus returned to show Thomas “the doubter”

asking him to feel the wounds on his side…

What is more pertinent Jesus most certainly did not say a word on whether there is heaven or hell..(this last sentence was said by a Catholic ( tongue in cheek so to speak) Quite frankly it made sense to me.

Therefore THE SECOND COMING HAS ALREADY OCCURRED

KKRDB says:

Ha ha

 The Philistines were of Greek origine never any connection to Arabs ………….Dream on……….
Although they would have loved being GREEKS.

Alas, alack arabs are a DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH
And if I may say so a VERY SMELLY FISH AT THAT 

NOTHING REMOTELY  BEING Arabs (idiot or ignorant)

KKRDB says:

An addendum about the BONDSWOMAM:

YA MEAN THE WHORE OF ABRAHAM?

SOON GOT RID OF HER HA..

EAT YOUR HATEFUL HEART OUT.

TimUpham says:

If Jesus Christ abhorred Gentiles, does that mean he abhorred you?  Remember the song from childhood “Yes, Jesus loves me, the Bible tells me so.”  That does not sound like Jesus Christ and the Bible are preaching hatred.  I think the only way that either have been distorting have been the ones who justify hatred.  Saying that Palestinians should not have their own country living side by side with Israel is just espousing a form of hatred.  Jesus Christ spoke against hatred when he said in John 8:7 “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”  He was being a good Jew, because on Yom Kippur, Jews atone for their sins.

KKRDB says:

Matthew,Mark ,Luke & John they are all DEAD and Gone

Jesus was cruxified by Pilot governer of Judea..

Fraudulently twisted by later revisionists Christians.

Then came Simon/Peter who ran away to Rome

Got his wish when Rome caught on..

He was among the rejectionist/ of Rome

They, there & then, decided to dispatch him hither

Shimon’s wishes to be HUNG up side down,WITHER?

I still believe in my  Catholic friend

Somewhat his truth who said

Wel, there was only who died &came back

But he didn’t say much back then

Is there life after death

Like heaven or hell take a breath

Don’t exaggerate soon you’ll find

The moral of this story goes to show

There aint much that we will know.

KKRDB says:

By your own words you have condemned your LYING SELF.

A Christian?  Not YOU hypocrite…

NO WONDER most people here are against your comments

Fools we are not…We can smell you even in cyberspace.

You will have a long wait before your interlocuter will

reply to your absurd response…

KKRDB says:

If you are a palestinian christian then i am a man

on the moon..

Why did I say that?

Because by your own words (like the other buffoon)

Condemned yourself SAYING:

inshallah..Woweee

Go have your head screwed the correct way..

The American saying goes like this:

You can fool some of the people some of the time…

Not all of people ALL OF THE TIME.

Capiche

KKRDB says:

They can do/?feel whatever they wish..So long they keep outa Israels business is fine with me.

This subject is obfuscating the nonesense written by the Author

What is he teying to achieve is a puzzle..

And who gives a shekel whether they are for the “ersatz “palis,or not

As far as I am concerned they are strangers

END ..

KKRDB says:

I don’t remember saying as you quoted:
 
that mean he abhorred you?  Remember the song from childhood.

I never even pray,let alone to Jesus the Jew.

Only from some kids(not in my clique)

Ever saying those words you quoted.

And YES Jesus abhorred the gentiles.

Take it or leave it.

By the way I do not fault Jesus the Jew who cared for his people.(MY PEOPLE :ERemember the song from childhood?

While Jesus was a Jew, He most definitely WAS NOT THE MESSIAH…

God does NOT have a SON..For we ALL ARE HIS CHILDREN irrespectively.

Actually I  have had enough of this religion nonsense.

WE WILL ALL KNOW WHEN WE ARE 6 FEET UNDER….
 
Nuff said.
 

TimUpham says:

They are strangers who live right next door.  As for business, right now the Palestinians do U.S. $3 billion dollars worth of the business with Israel.  Israel is the Palestinians largest trading partner.  Whether anybody likes it or not, the two are attached by an economic umbilical cord.  They cannot be separated from each other, so they MUST live with each other.  So in order to do that, there must be a two-state solution.  It goes back to what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 22:39 “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”  That even goes back further to Leviticus 19:18.  Leviticus is in both in the Christian Bible, and is the third of five books in the Jewish Torah.  You cannot get more Judeo-Christian than that. I have celebrated both Rosh Hashanah and the Feast of Eid after Ramadan, and had just as much fun at those celebrations, as I did at a Christmas celebration.

KKRDB says:

A quick and last post on children praying :

The only one I heard (by some kids was)

When I lay me down to sleep

I pray the Lord my soul to keep

If I die before I wake

I pray the Lord my soul to take.

(no mention of Jesus)

TimUpham says:

Christianity completely evolves around Jesus Christ being the Messiah.  So everybody can have their own belief whether they follow it or not.  One thing that both Christianity and Islam have in common, is that Jesus Christ superseded the previous prophets.  In Islam, Mohammad supersedes the previous prophets.  In Judaism, only God or Hashem — which in Hebrew means the name — is above the prophets, not a figure living on this planet, like Christianity and Islam.  Because all three view Abraham as the first believer in One God, they are collectively known as the three Abrahamic religions.  The reason why all three claim Jerusalem as a holy place.

KKRDP.
 
1.       I normally do refrain from responding to an emotional animal like you in open public discussion. However  I intended to  respond only for the audience awareness.
Calling women  “W**RES”  doesn’t only  show the level of  those goyim Jews   when it come to their ill treatment of women, but also a reflection(embedded here in this example) from their TaNaCh and Talmudic Teachings that go into  explicit degradation to Jewish female adherents as well as others’ women(gentile women!
I am unaware of any, and raise this in light of for example the following Talmudic statements:-
 “A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave “  Talmud Menahoth 43b-44a.”
That is only to their women, imagine how those Goyim sees Gentile women?
But that is not our point.
2.      The bible clearly and emphatically had attested that Hagar is  indeed the  WIFE of  our Father Abraham Genesis 16:3.
The Talmudic Midrashic literature even further teach  that Hagar was an Egyptian princess, the  daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh.
However and with our great RESPECT to OUR MOTHER  SARAH, and to ISSAC ( OUR BIOLOGICAL F ATHER) I read that “ Sara” is the Biological Sister of Abraham from his Father.
“… And yet indeed she (Sara) is my sister; she is the daughter of MY FATHER ( word is Abi. אבִי.NOT Abouti אבִות=forfathers), but not the daughter of MY MOTHER; and she became my wife. “  (Genesis 20:12)
According to bible Sara is Abraham’ biological  Sister ! ! ! !…. .Therefore Isaac is the INCEST son of Abraham from his sister Sarah…….
What does YHWH say about such relation?
.”…..Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. “  (Deuteronomy 27:22)”
3.       PIECE OF ADVICE-Please take your pills try to be quite, just listen to educate yourself, STOP SAYING  FOUL WORDS AND  RESPECT WOMEN unless you enjoy being the wild dog of the commentators.

 KKRDP.DO NOT REJOICE”,

as  it is “Intellectual defeat that you must ultimately be prepared for

ALL these fallacies that you and others had been advancing and putting forwarding will be exposed in due course.

The exposures’ realization of which would in future would lead  to serve backlashes from the world’s down trodden masses

DO NOT REJOICE”,
as  it is “Intellectual defeat that you must ultimately be prepared for.

ALL these fallacies that you and others had been advancing and putting forwarding will be exposed in due course.

The exposures’ realization of which would in future would lead  to serve backlashes from the world top down to  world’s down trodden masses

There is nothing wrong with the GREEKS they are our fellow Human brothers and we honour their self historic achievment on the Human civilization, that is because WE THE ARAB and specially the Arab Palestinian believe in ONE RACE……… the HUMAN RACE.

However when it comes to specially genetics,Many if not all geneticists appears to match Arab israelis and Palestinians to be descendants( if not the DIRECT descendants) of core population that lived in the area since prehistoric time. Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinians “Muslim Arabs ” are the descendants from Christians and what  you call the the REAL JUDEANS and SAMARITANS, who lived in the southern Levant, a region that include Sinai Nazi entity of ersatz Israel, and Jordan.

Even most if not all,early mafiosa zionist  founder  leaders  like “David Ben Gurion”, Asher “Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (Ehad Ha’am)”and “Yitzhak Ben Zvi” and many others believed and accepted the fact that, the “Palestinians Arabs” are the true descendants of what you call the “original Judeans and Samaritans” whom inhabited the land. They believed that some of the Judeans had converted to Christianity and particularly “Jamesian “and “Nazarenes” forms of Christianity in the 4th century, while the vast majority later embraced Islam during the 7th century and became what you call us today the “Palestinian Arabs “.

The American saying goes like this….i am a man

Dear KKABAB ( un Kosher goyim  Jewish KKRDB),

I don’t care what Americans , nor Goyim jews( Jo Jos)  like you do say,instead focus on  the Bible textually-hard and on the   testable evidences that avialable at hand.In this respect I will ignore all forms of speculation and hearsay concerning the issue of our discussion.

If needed, I will be happy to provide further supporting references for the discussion and Biblical inferences.

To ensure that your remarks do not amount to a projection of ignorance and/or personal prejudices, I hope that you will do the same to substantiate your insight and sweeping claims concerning your claims.

 Without serious and sincere introspection (or soul searching) to establish the actual validity/veracity of one’s believes/doctrines in relation to all the testable facts at hand (rather than your  vain irrational stupid sensations/feelings), you will then face the real danger of fatally wasting your emotional/physical investments in “falsehood”. The inevitable outcome of which would lead  you and all goyim jews like you to nothing other than eternal regret/damnation.

:+D

emunadate says:

J
what’s not safe for a Christian in Israel? plz do tell and where do you live in Israel, are you a sabra?

j
either you bow your knees and ask YESHUA forgiveness or you will go to hell and that’s a fact now repent to the most HIGH GOD

j
There’s no such thing as a palestinain Jericho, do you think that you are a retional educated person if so then think again you are using taqiyya my dear lost friend

angelika frog
you are lying the Christians in so-called palestine are not declining because of Israel but because of islam and that’s a fact, shame on you for lying like this may the GOD of Mercy forgive you  

the arabs are only free the day they reject islam ill-allah muhammad and the cursed quran till then you are in bondage and you know it, and as for shariah do we stone women do we cut hands and feet of ppl do we hand ppl do we kill in cold blood while screaming ill-allahu akbar do we bomb churches do we murder christians when they come out from a church service or like what’s just happen in nigeria or what has happen in egypt iran iraq ect do we jail or kill ppl for converting into another religion, you are pathetic  

stupid as stupid can be John 4 21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.  22YE WORSHIP YE KNOW NOT WHAT: WE KNOW WHAT WE WORSHIP: FOR SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS.  23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.does YESHUA say the salvation is of the palestinians  Matthew 2 1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,  2Saying, WHERE IS HE THAT IS BORN KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.  3When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.Matthew 27 11And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.Matthew 27 37And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWSLuke 7 3And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant

if any 1 is embarrassing it’s you

j
seems like you as a Christian don’t really know who GOD is, GOD is the same be it the O.T or the N.T, HE is the same yesterday to day and tomorrow  
Isaiah 54:5
 5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.Isaiah 60:14
 14The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.maybe you should read your GOD given Bible

so what abt the Christians  in Iraq Iran Egypt Lebanon Syria are they chopped liver? have you ever been to the so-called plalestine have you seen the luxury life they live, I went through Gaza and let me tell I saw houses like never before beautiful big arab build houses worth million of us$, there’s no shortages in palestine so what is it that the arabs need from us and what war are you ref to? the war between hamas and plo?  

you have no say abt Bethlehem, and arabs are the real occupants you have it backwards, so you live in Beit Jala then you are familiar with Gilo, how tanzim bombarded Gilo from Beit Jala nice neighbours we have in Beit Jala    

right no occupant last forever therefore the arabs will be given a choice before GOD does this Jeremiah 12
14Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them.
15And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
 16And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
 17BUT IF THEY WILL NOT OBEY, I WILL UTTERLY PLUCK UP AND DESTROY THAT NATION, SAITH THE LORD.
 
You will be brought back your arabic homeland, if you choose to stay you better convert to Judaism or be destroyed  

and you are a taqiyya using muslim pretending to be a Christian shame on you also on this angelika frog, both of you are muslims

what arab jews are you ref 2, the jews livng in the arabic countries?

this Christlam came out of Nigeria and is a teaching from the pit of hell

you don’t live in palestine do you, you might have but not now

well lets ask GOD and se what HE says and what your not telling that the covernant was made between Abraham and his son Isaac not Abraham and ishmael.
GOD will deal with the arabs be it muslim or  christians and that’s a fact my dear lost friend YESHUA will deal with you and every Jew hating person that’s also a fact

The statement of representation of source contradicts itself. Just look at your posted examples,  READ THE TEXTS, and answer the following simple  question  

“WHRE JESUS HAD SAID BY HIS OWN WORD, ….HIS OWN WORDING, ..WORDS  COMING FROM HIS OWN MOUTH ….THAT HE IS A JEW IN THE TEXTS” ? ! ! ! ! ! ! !

 Again Jesus had said in John  “  HE WHO LOVES ME FOLLOW MY TEACHINGS”…Not paul’s  peter, Dick, Harry or Banana., ONLY his teachings, that is because the  “ WORDS  THAT YOU HEAR ARE NOT MINE BUT FATHER’S  WHO SENT ME “John 14:24

SO A TRUE  “CHRISTIAN”  ,WHO LOVE CHRIST IS THE ONE WHO ALWAYS LOOK AT JESUS  OWN WORD  FIRST.

 WHERE IN THE TEXTS HAD JESUS CLAIMED BY HIS OWN WORD TO BE A JEW ?

There is no  single Biblical passage where Jesus  had explicitly reported by his OWN WORD that he is a “ Jew”  The silence of Jesus calming himself  by his own word to be a Jew parallels the silence concerning the issue of  name Jew and its definition.

There is NO single one evidence that Abraham, Isaac, Israel,  even  Moses to have claims to be  word  “ Jews” .

 No single word ” Jew יְהוּדִי‎ “  is being mentioned in the “Allegedly” five books of Moses? When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודיIt is an invention Called ‘The Jewish People. There never was Jewish people.

So take your contradictory  EXAMPLES/ PROOF and slap yourself with them ,if you could not see how they contradict  your self claims.

I have no confidence that you be able to understand the complex and intrigued true essence of  the word of Christ in the holy scripture. It is very strange that a crucial and important subject such as this  is actually been studied, lead and monopolize by group of buffoons.

I am not sure if you can help me out with the following question. I have been unsuccessfully with wrestling myself as to which is the funnier statement, to believe in your vicious monster so called  YHWH or ”  LORD JEALOUS ” EXODUS 20:5   NOT LORD  LOVE, who is described to be a vicious {MAN (ISH אִישׁ) of WAR מִלְחָמָה }Exodus 15:1-5, …NOT a MAN Of PEACE… OR  placing confidence in an UNCORRECTED PROOF OF YOURS  ? ! ! ! ! !

I hope you understand what I mean, and you can help me to resolve this dilemma

no  palestinain Jerico…BUT  yes to 6000 years old Cosmos LOOOOOOOOOOOOl

:+D 

like you as a Christian don’t really know who GOD is,

Chanah

Huh
·                        WHICH GOD/G-D are you talking ABOUT ?!!!..U and UR Yhwh are two PRIMITIVE BABOONS

Do U seriously believe that this YHWH יהוה‎ who:-

# 1.
MAN (ISH אִישׁ) …NOT GOD…but a MAN (ISH אִישׁ)….a {MAN (ISH אִישׁ) of WAR מִלְחָמָה }Exodus 15:1-5….But could not defeat his enemy because they had iron Chariots Judges 1:19. …….read ..” YHWH was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were UNABLE to drive the people from the low lands, because they had iron [chariots] ” Judges 1:19

#2.

” Lord Jealous” EXODUS 20:5 !!… because he resents to be a minor being under chief Caananite god, El אל in his pantheon/ council of pagan gods/ elohim ( Deut 32:8-9,Psalm21:1 82:1,6)).. Read…..“When god EL gave the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the SONS OF GOD(EL) ב ני אל , For the portion of the YHWH is His people, Jacob the lot of His inheritance” Deuteronomy 32:8-9. (see the Dead sea Scrols and Septuagint bibe..the word used is sons of EL ב ני אל)”

# 3 .

Gave Mosses a DIVINE MOONING “Exodous 33:23…..Read about yhwh/lordjealous’ divine mooning in Exodus 33:23 …. {And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt SEE MY BACK PARTS אחרי: but my face shall not be seen} Exodus 33:23

#4 •…then walk along walk to be SHAFTED by man named Jacob after long night wrestle Gen 32:28……….

….IS INDEED A TRUE GOD ??? ! ! ! !

…. {And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt SEE MY BACK PARTS אחרי: but my face shall not be seen} Exodus 33:23

….that is because YHWH is a {MAN (ISH אִישׁ) of WAR מִלְחָמָה }Exodus 15:1-5

Tell U what !..Why don’t U shove Israel together with your boggy dog/d-g (lordjealous/yhwh) into where the sun does not shine ?!!!

Lisen AshkiNAZI shigitz boy,
 
We the Palestinians are the indigenous native of this land are  the true Israelites .

Even the   literatures of the earliest  founders of the Zionism,  for example Mafia leaders  like  ”Theodore Hertzel, David Ben Groin”, Asher “Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (Ehad Ha’am) “Yitzhak Ben Zvi” ..,even describe, and explain how today “Palestinians Arabs” are the true descendants of the  original Israelites peasantry ” whom inhabited and REMAINED IN THE LAND. They also believed that while some of the Israelites “had converted to Christianity and particularly “Jamesian “”Nazarenes” forms of Christianity in the 4th century, the vast majority later(Like all other  original indigenous people in the region e.g. The Egyptian, Syrians ,The Amaziq-Berber, The Nubians  etc) had embraced Islam during the 7th century, Arabized and became what you call us today the “Palestinian Arabs.

The Roman expulsion is a Hoax,  it never happened. Otherwise explain to us how the PALESTINIAN TALMUD came over to you?  it was compiled by PALESTINIAN RABBIS after 70 AD in PALESTINE, after the supposedly  alleged mythical Roman expulsion!!!!!!!!!!

The 10th century AD Masoretic  and  the earliest  Greek  Septuagint  bible  is just nothing more than  our  “ Mythical”  folklore texts  that we wrote. Not divine ,not  suppose to be taken seriously. Since they our  our Mythical”  folklore texts books  They are therefore  not intended to be  for a gentile dog( shabbath  goy)dog, nor for converted   goyim fake Jews  like you .
 
Therefore ,Abolish this Fake book you call  it Torah because  the True Torah is in the Tablets of Moses  and its lost, erased , NOT with us anymore.
  
Abolish also this Fake religion U Named it Judaism, and screw Zionism if you want to be Human.

LOOOOl

 Ishamel is Not in the Isaaianic Covenant Gen 17:19 But is the Abrahamic Covenant Gen17:7-10 .  If you look into the bible carfully, you will soon realize that there are in fact TWO SEPERATE   COVENATS in the story of Abraham, and not JUST ONE COVENANT. Abrahamic covenant in theGen17:7-10 , an Eternal covenant given to Abraham and His SEED.Genesis 17:7 “…Will establish my COVENANT between me and THEE and THY SEED after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee And an Isaaianic Covenant Gen 17:19  that had been given to Isaac and his direct blood  descendants(Abraham, Sarah are  even excluded, let alone  goyim converted Jews)s{and I will establish my covenant with him(Isaac) for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his descendants after him. Gen17: 19}….This covenant is with s{and I will establish my covenant with him(Isaac) for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his descendants after him. Gen17: 19}….This covenant is with Isaac and his descendants, even his Father Abraham to have an EVERLASTING COVENAT WITH GOD IN Gen17:7-10 is NOT in this Gen 17:19 covenant.  That means we have TWO SEPERATE COVENAT

Lisen AshkiNAZI shigitz boy, We the Palestinians are the indigenous native of this land are  the true Israelites .
Even the   literatures of the earliest  founders of the Zionism,  for example Mafia leaders  like  “Theodore Hertzel, David Ben Groin”, Asher “Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (Ehad Ha’am) “Yitzhak Ben Zvi” ..,describe, and confirm the Israelites’ Origin of oday “Palestinians Arabs”" whom inhabited and REMAINED IN THE LAND.
They also believed that while some of the Israelites “had converted to Christianity and particularly “Jamesian “”Nazarenes” forms of Christianity in the 4th century, the vast majority later(Like all other  original indigenous people in the region e.g. The Egyptian, Syrians ,The Amaziq-Berber, The Nubians  etc) had embraced Islam during the 7th century, Arabized and became what you call us today the “Palestinian Arabs.
The Roman expulsion is a Hoax,  it never happened.
Otherwise if there was a Roman expulsion explain to us how the PALESTINIAN TALMUD came over to you?
1.WHO wrote  The Palestinian Talmud the rabbinical oral Laws and teaching 
2.WHERE was written,
3. When was it written , and
4.HOW was it written if there  was a Roman Expulsion ?
The Palestinian  Talmud was  written  and  compiled by PALESTINIAN RABBIS, in Palestine and  after  the 70 AD.
Meaning no one had been expelled from PalestineThe 10th century AD Masoretic  and  the earliest  Greek  Septuagint  bible  is just nothing more than  our  “ Mythical”  folklore texts  that we wrote. Not divine ,not  suppose to be taken seriously. Since they our  our Mythical”  folklore texts books  They are therefore  not intended to be  for a gentile dog( shabbath  goy)dog, nor for converted   goyim fake Jews  like you . Therefore ,Abolish this Fake book you call  it Torah because  the True Torah is in the Tablets of Moses  and its lost, erased , NOT with us anymore.   Abolish also this Fake religion U Named it Judaism, and screw Zionism if  you want to be Human.

….Lool…….. and how many time Insurgent captured red handed for blowing up Mosques and Churchs    in Iraq,Egypts,Lebanon.Syria..etc turned out to be  Black Water  CIA, Mossad and MI5 agents disguised as Muslim Insurgents?!!!
Read also TALMUD Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there}…
Goyim reptilian Jews..   Never DISCLOSE their reptilian TRUE nature….that is FACT…They (like serpent/DEVIL) always come change their SKINS and disguised as Muslims Shia muslims Sunni..Catholics, American Patriots, Hindus, Atheist , Hassidic or even Aliens….To play GAMES

….Lool…….. and how many time Insurgent captured red handed for blowing up Mosques and Churchs    in Iraq,Egypts,Lebanon.Syria..etc turned out to be  Black Water  CIA, Mossad and MI5 agents disguised as Muslim Insurgents?!!!
Read also TALMUD Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there}…
Goyim reptilian Jews..   Never DISCLOSE their reptilian TRUE nature….that is FACT…They (like serpent/DEVIL) always come change their SKINS and disguised as Muslims Shia muslims Sunni..Catholics, American Patriots, Hindus, Atheist , Hassidic or even Aliens….To play GAMES

There’s no such thing as a palestinain Jericho
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

Response to Chanah,

#1. There is no Palestinian Jericho, but there is cosmos that is less than 6000 years old of age ! ! ! ! !

#2. Regarding the name YESHUA.

Why do Jews CURSE Jesus the true Christ in their daily prayer by the nameYESHUA/title “Y’SHW” which short of “Yemach Shmo w’Zikro” (“may his name and memory be wiped out) for ? ! ! ! !

For 2000 years Jesus has been recorded in history under the cursed title “Y’SHW” from “Yemach Shmo w’Zikro” (“may his name and memory be wiped out)..

It is no wonder that Jews considered the Christian belief as simple idolatry and felt obligated to apply the Law in Exodus 23:13: “Make no mention of the name of other Gods

 How are they suffered in Moslem dominated states, if the richest  Egyptian happened to be a Christian COPT, and the president of Lebanon must be a Christian ? ! ! ! ! !

How do you compare that with an Ethnocratic Jewish Nazi entity called Israel ?

And Why Christians in most the Gulf States (Moslem dominated states) always get the highest Jobs and the Highest Salaries ? ! ! !

Israel is ONLY  safe when the Nazi ethno -cratic ideology of Zionism is  ABOLISHED and replaced by Civic state that for all of its citizens only  for  Goyim AshkiNAZI Jews(jo jos) like you.

 Yes the Christians are declining because of  those Goyim Monkey AshkiNAZI Jews occupying Palestine

ChanahDO NOT REJOICE”, as  it is “Intellectual defeat that you must ultimately be prepared for

Incidentally, if you really want to know  where” Real tuqiyah (deception) “ is taught, you need go no where further than the “Jewish scriptures and global practices ”.

(e.g.” If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there “ TALMUD Moed Kattan 17a)

The exposures’ realization of which would in future would lead  to serve backlashes from the world’s top down to the  trodden masses

barryclinton says:

This repeats the bogus claim that Christians support Israel and the Jews because they want to live out the Book of Revelation. That’s not why their support is so strong.

Violence begets violence, and history repeats itself. Christians in the Middle East lived peace and harmony, as did all their neighbors, the Jews and Muslims, until the Zionists moved in. Since that time, if you look closely, and have the eyes to see it, Christians have played a part in the strife. Shatila and Sabra are only examples of this truth. Jesus said, “If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword…” Christians and Jews and Muslims in extremist groups have all contributed to the problem. It sickens me that it seems that the innocent suffer from the violence that others do.

christian ally for israel says:

if you are really interested in that subject check out
http://www.facebook.com/KnessetChristianAlliesCaucus
and learn a little bit about it

The term “Jew” was actually a spiritual term. The original spelling was IU. In the New Testament when it says “…Unless you are born of Water & the Spirit (Fire) you cannot enter the Kingdom…” it refers to 2 births: one is a natural birth of the Mother (water) & the other is a Spiritual birth by Fire. There is no choice in the first birth, it is bestowed upon us; however, the second birth is a choice. Everyone is born a gentile, that is generated physically from the mother. As you get older & mature you decide: “Is there more to life than just satisfying my animal & vegetative natures?” Yes, there is and subsequently a life of Compassion leads the way where we can truly see others as ourselves. The term “IU”, which became “JEW”, signified one who was awakened to this… reborn, so to speak, guided by their divine nature. The word was strictly a spiritual designation. As meanings of words morph in time, it has now sunk into a misconstrued term for “ethnicity” & “People”. Prior to the Haskalah (Jewish Enlightenment) the word “Jew” was inseparable from one who practiced Judaism, as it was in post-Alexander Hellenistic & Roman times. When one converted to Judaism he/she became identified as Jewish. If you were a Roman citizen who spoke Greek & practiced Judaism you were all 3: Roman by way of citizenship, Greek because you spoke the Greek language & Jewish because you practiced Judaism. After the Haskalah many Jews manifested their “jewishness” not by religion but by language, namely Yiddish literature & the transformation of a strictly, liturgical non-secular language, Hebrew. Subsequent of this a new transformation occurred: Zionism. The Zionists railed against Judaism & one writer even proclaimed “the wreckage of Judaism is the birth of Zionism”. However, in forming their state they retained the spiritual designation”Jewish”, hoping it would “cross the river” from the non-secular to the secular. The irony is the term cannot be separated & therefore the ulra-orthodox, who appear to be the antithesis of the Zionist founders, are now gaining more & more power! Another paradox is that many diverse Jewish practices enjoy full rights in America but in the ‘Jewish State” only one brand of Judaism doles out who a “Jew” is, what marriages are sanctioned…the land purported to be the “promised land” is becoming a sort of “Mitzrayim”, or land of constriction, for many who experience more democracy in America. If the trend continues, will women have to be seated in the back of the bus as it cruises through Haredi neighborhoods? If skirts are not the “right length” will harassment ensue? Interesting to ponder where this might lead…

jerry says:

just wait until people find out that the teaching about Gog and Magog has got nothing to do with Russia or Germany or for that matter nothing to do with Israel either past present or future. Thats really going to shut the pro Christian lobby up believe you me and their wrong interpretations of scripture!!!!

Pip Power says:

JESUS OF NAZARETH IN THE TALMUD

Many passages in the Talmudic books treat of the birth, life, death, and teachings of Jesus Christ. He is not always referred to by the same name, however, but is diversely called “That Man,” “A Certain One,” “The Carpenter’s Son,” “The One Who Was Hanged,” etc.

Concerning the Names of Jesus Christ

1. The real name of Jesus in Hebrew is Jeschua Hanotsri – Jesus the Nazarene. He is called Notsri from the city of Nazareth in which he was brought up. Thus in the Talmud Christians also are called Notsrim – Nazarenes.
Since the word Jeschua means “Savior,” the name Jesus rarely occurs in the Jewish books. It is almost always abbreviated to Jeschu ,which is maliciously taken as if it were composed of the initial letters of the three words Immach Schemo Vezikro – “May his name and memory be blotted out.”

2. In the Talmud Jesus is called Otho Isch – “That man,” i.e. the one who is known to all. In the tract Abhodah Zarah, 6a, we read:

“He is called a Christian who follows the false teachings of that man, who taught them to celebrate the feast on the first day of the Sabbath, that is, to worship on the first day after the Sabbath”

3. Elsewhere he is simply called Peloni – “A Certain One.” In Chagigah, 4b, we read:
“Mary…the mother of a certain one, of whom it is related in Schabbath…” (104b)
That this Mary is none other than the mother of Jesus will be shown later.

4. Out of contempt, Jesus is also called Naggar bar naggar – “the carpenter son of a carpenter”, also Ben charsch etaim – “the son of a wood worker.”

Please do not protect these inhuman people brutalising Palestinians.

Jews are worst haters of Christ How come Christians turn a blind eye to these events?

Israeli Police created problems for Christians on Easter Sunday this year.

why senseless christians support Israel?
I am christian,but when i visited Israel I was treated like shit.this is the ugly face of Israel/Jews.

they know how to survive on christian money from the west.

Hope Christians who support them blindly will open their eyes.

an Arab christian told me that esp. in the season of lent /Easter celebrations israel interior ministry /police create problems for the christians and prevent them from worshipping.Double standards?
Amen.God bless you all.

Earlier I was supporting Israel but now I do not support it.Waste of taxpayers money.
Bring Christians form ME countries to western countries for Christ’s sake.

Christians would do better job than Jews from stupid country like Israel.

they hate Christians like any thing.
Man do not believe me see for yourself in Israel.

Killing Palestinians in an inhuman way.

Boycott them in USA rest of the world follows.

copied: For most American Jews and Israelis, evangelical Christians are synonymous with zealous, biblically inspired support of the Jewish state

…is just one of the interpretation of Scriptures.

LAM: 3:34-36

To crush underfoot
all prisoners in the land,
35 to deny people their rights
before the Most High,
36 to deprive them of justice—
would not the Lord see such things?

GOD is very angry with Israel and thus with so called Christians who claim to understand Christ.

So many scriptures are disregarded in this ongoing battle. What about Galatians 3:28 & 29. Abraham’s “descendent” was Jesus and his “heirs” are those who are believers in Christ.

I’ve talked to enough people directly from the middle east. The so called “democracy” works well I suppose, if you are an Israeli Jew, and Caucasian. However, if you are an Arab Muslim or Palestinian Christian, you are a second class citizen and not subject to all the privileges of an Israeli.

The Promise to Abraham in Genesis has nothing to do with Jews either. Abraham was not a Jew. There was no Jewish nation at this time. Gen. 12 says, “I will bless you….and those who bless you” meaning Abraham. And then it says “ALL the people on earth will be blessed through you (Abraham).” Last I knew, All meant All, not just Jewish people.

And that “blessing” is the Messiah Jesus, or Yeshua, and the salvation of our souls through his blood. The land that God is interested in now is the land in our hearts. How much of the land in YOUR heart belongs to God? That is the question.

Oh yea, one more thing. Over a dozen times in the New Testament the scriptures call the believers in Christ as “Chosen”, “Elected”, “Kings and Priests”, “Favor with God.” “His people.”

Robert Wagenaar says:

I need a publisher for a book against the Zionist’s land stealing. Galatians 3:15 points out that the promise to Abraham was ultimately for the Messiah, not the Israelites, who only had claim to it until the old testament was fulfilled by the Messiah. That old testament is obsolete.

Dan Guerriero says:

Great article sadly we see the horrible result of not settling.

ChetnikZionist says:

These people are foolish to extremes. Palestinian Christians are traitors to Orthodoxy and slaves of Islam. Meanwhile in Israel Christian in IDF along with Jews and Muslims.

What next???? join the jihadist in order to bring justice?
Gods Word is Gods Word…the truth is the truth whether we believe it or not……Jesus will one day sit on His rightful throne….The Throne of David..in Jerusalem…and Christians will answer for not supporting Israel….

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