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By: Harold

Harold — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:59:52 +0000

Helen, Bottom Line: you still are arguing against the Jews having their own homeland and their right to govern themselves, free of the Muslim yoke. More than 50% of Israeli Jews are refugees from lands that had been conquered by the Arabs, or they are descended from those refugees. They know what it’s like to be a minority in a country where the majority is Arab Muslim, and they don’t want any part of it. That’s their right. They should not be obligated to continue living in other people’s countries as eternal minorities, which is what YOU want. Meanwhile, the Arabs are luxuriating in their 22 states. And the Jews are not allowed to have even one? You stand for inequality, you stand for injustice. And you claim to still have your morals (???) Hah!!!

By: Helen Dukke

Helen Dukke — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:41:15 +0000

the Muslims believe in the Torah, and they believe in the Bible, and they believe in teh koran. they believe these were sent down by God. you are calling backwards because they have different rules but in reality they are pretty much the same. so what if soem Muslims wear a hijab, does that make them backwards. instead of just calling them backwards. maybe you should read the Koran to understand them. you would be surprised at just how much their beliefs r the same as Christians and jews alike.

By: Helen Dukke

Helen Dukke — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:26:19 +0000

I never said anythign about not having a jewish state. but it immoral to assume that you can take a land of another people and claim u have historical rights to it. u were offered land by another nation. no if’s and or but’s, but your so called leaders refused it because they wanted Palestine.

did you know at one time the zionists were debating to take Argentina for their own. but because argentina was a powerful nation they knew it would never happen. a nation that had no way to fight back except with stones and a few rifles that they used for hunting. sorry Harold, i’m not the loser, i never lost my morals but unfortunately u did.

its to bad u haven’t figured out for yourself that the zionist regime in isrl is not on ur side. they have a higher power they answer too,and it isn’t God.

you say that i do not want a jewish state. but in the Torah it says that this land will not belong to the jews until God comes down.

can you please tell me when God came down and gave you Palestine for yourselves? becasue i do not remember God coming and giving this land to the jews. but I do remember him banishing the jews. give me the year God actually came and said this is your land. in teh torah the Bible and the Koran God did not come down. but than of course i must be mistaken, because all i ever hear is that God came and gave you this land.

By: Harold

Harold — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:00:26 +0000

Helen, everything you’re saying boils down to one thing: your implicit claim that 22 Arab states are ok, but it’s not okay to have even one Jewish state. Too bad. You lose.

By: Helen Dukke

Helen Dukke — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:18:50 +0000

give me a break they always had the right. u just chose to not see that.
as usual ur playing the victim.

You just don’t get it. you are being used!! the zionists r playing u and the western world. but let me ask you something, if someone came and terrorized you off your land and out of your country, would u not fight? of course you would. is that not called self defense?do they not have a right to protect themselves and their homes? of course they do. they r not terrorsits they r freedom fighters. let me give u a quote to ponder.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”
– David Ben Gurion, pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

now than u go out and find outside sources not written by zionists but humans that want peace. and u will see a very different picture than what ur gov’t painted for u. you are not the historical people of those lands. u drove out the real people of those lands. they may not all practice Judaism but that doesn’t mean they r not the indigenous ppl of those lands.

By: Harold

Harold — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:19:28 +0000

Oh please, indeed, Helen. You don’t like the fact that Jews now have the right of self-determination, you don’t think that Jews have the right to govern their own affairs. Like a true plantation owner, you think they always have to be minorities in other peoples’ countries. You’re upset with the facts presented to you by Sarah, by Richard Z. Chesnoff, and myself, and you can’t refute even one of them. So you resort to the lowest level, for example, calling Richard “racist, arrogant, scum.” And oh by the way, if it’s representation in Parliament you’re concerned about, look at the Israeli Arabs who are represented in the Knesset.

By: Helen Dukke

Helen Dukke — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:04:35 +0000

oh please they had seats in parliment, they had lots of representation. as usual u people always play the victim when in fact it is the arabs who are the victims. go back to europe since u want to be part of the european union. look on a map Palestine is not in europe. it is part of the middle east, in which u refuse to accept as it is. all u want is to wage wars and demonize the arabs. civilization was created in the middle east, u destroyed it in less than 60 years. the arabs do not hate jews they hate the zionists. but of course u haven’t figured out that the zionists r doing u wrong as well.

By: Harold

Harold — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:59:35 +0000

Helen Dukke: So Jews and Muslims lived peacefully for centuries until Zionism came along. Yeah, right. Muslims “tolerated” Jews until the Jews started wanting some rights, like the right of self-determination and the right to govern their own affairs without Muslim interference. If you believe otherwise, you’re living in a mythical kingdom of your own creation.

By: Helen Dukke

Helen Dukke — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:57:42 +0000

Richard Z. there r no jews in lybia because of the zionists that came from europe. u think u know everything. the fact is those jews that left had been paid for their loss. there r still jews who live in lebanon, they r Lebanese not isrlies. there r jews living in Iran as a matter of fact the largest group outside of isrl in Iran. those r real semite jews not converts from europe. u should learn ur own heritage before u stat spewing crap. if this keeps up i’m going to have to wear hipwaders.
it is the racist arrogant scum like you that give Judaism a bad name.

By: Helen Dukke

Helen Dukke — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:45:59 +0000

really sarah? and where did yo get your facts from? there r very few muslims descended from Ishmael left at all? HUH? man u really are delusional. and as for coexistance, my family came from the middle east, my mother spoke of how jews lived together in peace. u should find some real semite jews and ask them how well they lived before isrl and its zionists destroyed their relationships.

my family refused to live among a bunch of racist europeans on stolen lands. go back to europe, haven’t u destroyed enough already.!!

By: Richard Z. Chesnoff

Richard Z. Chesnoff — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:36:42 +0000

Oleander must have lived in another Libya. Libyan Jews were subject to deadly riots and discrimination long before 1967. From 1948 to 1951, 30,972 Libyan Jews fled to Israel. On December 31, 1958 the Jewish Community Council was dissolved by Libyan law and by 1967, the Jewish population of Libya had decreased to 7,000. Facing more riots and government harassment, leaders of the Jewish community asked King Idris I to allow the entire Jewish population to “temporarily” leave the country; he consented, even urging them to leave. Through an airlift and the aid of several ships, the Italian navy helped evacuate more than 6,000 Jews to Rome in one month. The evacuees were forced to leave their homes, their businesses and most of their possession behind. Of these 6,000, more than 4,000 soon left Italy for Israel or the United States. There are no Jews in Libya today.

By: Oleander

Oleander — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:15:11 +0000

I lived and worked in Libya prior to Gadafi and during the regime.

Jews had lived alongside Libyans amicably until the June 1967 war. That war was the reason that they were not welcome.

Perhaps a positive outcome for Kosova in the ICJ will have a knock on effect for Palestine. The borders need to be reset to their former alignment- also the Gholan Hights returned to Syria.

By: Sarah Leah Lawent

Sarah Leah Lawent — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:16:09 +0000

BS”D

Would Mr. Smith care to elucidate for us how the Iraqi destruction of the Tomb of Yechezkiel and the erection of a mosque upon the site fits into his theories? Alley of the Jews in Bagdad? Some manuscripts?

@Jamal – anti-Semitism does not include Arabs, by definition. Also, there are very few Muslims who are actually descended from Ishmael left at all. It looks neat on paper – but it is not the reality.

By: Jamal

Jamal — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:29:43 +0000

Wow, and I thought Muslims were the ones obsessed with conspiracy theories. Leaving aside the inordinate lack of authenticity to this article, an opinion based in the sheer number of errors that readers have pointed out, I would point out that this impression that the “evil Arab” must have some ulterior motive to protect the national treasures of his country sound a bit…. oh, what’s the word I’m looking for here…. ANTISEMETIC. In this case, the Semites being, of course, the Arabs. Sons of Ishamel and all that good stuff.

Get a grip on reality. Fact check your articles if you have pretentions of being a journalist, and try not to let your own overweening arrogance and national/ethnic pride cloud your judgment. It’s hard to see the difference between what you’re insinuating here and the people who talk about the “Jewish Media” or how “banking is controlled by Jews.”

By: Doubter

Doubter — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:01:37 +0000

Yes Luke, let’s coexist, but first lte’s get some facts straight:
“the unfortunate result of a brutal war” and Israel needs to start believing in coexistence and tolerance
The “brutal war” that destabilized Lebanon was started by the Palestinians under Arafat after he was booted out by King Hussein for trying to destabilize Jordan and after being saved by misguided American foreign policy in 1982, he was ushered into the Palestinian territories in 1993, where he destabilized the Israeli Palestinian situation – big time with terror wars from the inside.
You see my coexisting Luke, that the Palestinians – spoiled silly by the UN and the far left and used by the Arab world – destabilize and bring destruction whenever they go. Their piece prize is making suicide bombings the weapon of choice for the radical Islamists world.

By: Luke

Luke — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:25:39 +0000

Again, tolerance and coexistence will prevail no matter what! It took Europe several centuries and many wars to realize this but they finally did it. The Levant will eventually get there as well.

By: jacob t.

jacob t. — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:15:41 +0000

perhaps the restoration of synagogues, etc is comparable to Hitler’s collecting ‘artifacts of the extinct race’, Jews. And perhaps to give more credibility to the ‘against Israel, not Jews’. This is the party line given credibility among too many.

By: Michael

Michael — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:45:09 +0000

Hmm, wishful thinking, I think!

By: Carlos

Carlos — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:36:27 +0000

To Luke–There was co-existence until the Moslems began to outnumber everyone else. The Moslems (at least in the middle east) don’t know what co-existence is. There are practically no Jews left in Arab countries and the only Country in the middle east where the Christian population is increasing instead of decreasing is the only non-Moslem country–Israel.

By: Luke

Luke — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:33:15 +0000

The article has a couple of errors. Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s mansion is not in the same neighborhood as the synagogue. Hariri’s mansion is in Qreitem and the synagogue is in Wadi Abu Jamil. Jim Smith is probably alluding to the Grand Serail, which is in the vicinity of the synagogue. The Grand Serail is the headquarters of the Prime Minister of Lebanon who is now Saad Hariri. The historic building is not the personal property of Hariri. Smith also didn’t point out that the synagogue was not the only religious structure destroyed in downtown Beirut during the war. Unfortunately, churches and mosques were also destroyed. He also failed to mention that the synagogue is not the last structure to be restored. The Church of St. Vincent is still in ruins, lacking funding. While I agree that Wadi Abu Jamil’s Jewish identity has been erased, many neighborhoods in Beirut also faced the same fate. For example, the suburb of Raouda was predominately Shia Muslim and is now predominately Christian while Mreijeh was predominately Christian and now is a Shia suburb. This is the unfortunate result of a 15-year brutal war. Finally, but definitely not least, Smith states that the “restorations of Hebraic antiquity are not simply a safe way of acknowledging the longevity, and thus legitimacy, of the Middle East’s oldest surviving religious community, they are meant to convince the world of Arab tolerance.” As a Lebanese, I find this statement very offensive, and I would like to remind Mr. Smith that when America, only few decades ago, was intolerant of its own population due to the color of their skin, and where segregation was the law in many states, the people of Lebanon from all religious groups, including Jews, were integrated and enjoyed equality under the law. The coexistence of Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Lebanon is millennia old. It is nothing new. If there is a symbol attached to the restoration of the synagogue, it is that despite the wars that have been inflicted on Lebanon and its people, tolerance and coexistence always prevail—something Israel need to start believing as well.

By: Lebanese Jew

Lebanese Jew — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:00:35 +0000

I’m a Lebanese Jew, living IN Lebanon. Though much of the article is good I find the insinuation that rebuilding the Synagogue is related to what is happening in Iraq and Egypt nothing short of misleading. The decision to finally renovate the Synagogue was made by the LEBANESE JEWISH COMMUNITY, not the government. The funding is coming from the LEBANESE JEWS.

And for the millionth time, why do you ignore what the official community council publicly states on its website- there are HUNDREDS of Jews living in our community in Lebanon. Why don’t you check the website: http://www.thejewsoflebanonproject.org

I am currently on business abroad, I find these articles encouraging but nevertheless misleading. Our experience in Lebanon is NOTHING like that of those who were persecuted out of their countries.

By: Richard Z. Chesnoff

Richard Z. Chesnoff — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:33:44 +0000

I am sure Lee Smith may be right – the renovation of the Beirut synagogue could well be a subconscious nod in the direction of Israel’s regional strength.
But I believe that in part it is also a simple attempt to build up tourism. More to the point, renovating Jewish sites in Arab capitals is often a way to avoid any responsibility for the 20th century ethnic cleansing that forced almost all Jews in the Arab world to flee and abandon the communities they had built over more than a millennium. Indeed, the last thing the Arab leaders want to admit is that more Jewish refugees fled the Arab world than Arab refugees fled Palestine.
Consider this: during a visit to Libya in 1994 I discovered that no one less than Muammar Qadhafi was in the midst of renovating the ruins of the central synagogue of Tripoli. When I asked “The Leader” why (after all, there are no Jews left in Libya) he said “they are part of our history. And Jews could live here now. There is no need for Israel to exist…Any Libyan Jew who wants to return may do so” (to the best of my knowledge none has volunteered yet.
Still, not every Arab state wants to underline its Jewish past. The traditional site of the tomb of the Prophet Ezekiel which lies south of Baghdad has always been distinctively Jewish (though Christians & Muslims also came to pray there). Our allies in Iraq are now “renovating it” and in the process removing all Hebrew inscriptions and Jewish ornaments.

By: Carlos

Carlos — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:06:29 +0000

I don’t understand why you refer to the Jewish communities as having disappeared. The Jews didn’t disappear they were ethnically cleansed. The fact that the Arab countries are now fixing up the synagogues where I and my fellow ex-Arab Jews used to worship is a sick joke.

By: RichV

RichV — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:05:33 +0000

Very enlightening opinion. Thank you.