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Israeli Says Jews Shouldn’t Celebrate the Fourth

Americans are apparently not in God’s country

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“Hearing which song gives you more goose pimples and a greater feeling of patriotism? The Star Spangled Banner or HaTikva?”

“If there was a war between the United States and Israel, which army would you join?”

“Which of these foods do you consider your nation’s favorite?” (Pictured: a cheeseburger and a falafel sandwich.)

These are some of the questions Israeli novelist and provocateur Tzvi Fishman asks in his “Jewish Identity Quiz” in The Jewish Press, the Brooklyn-based Modern Orthodox newspaper. It’s a follow-up to his screed against Jews celebrating the Fourth of July. “Yom HaAtzmaut is Independence Day for the Jews, not the 4th of July,” he wrote. “Boker tov, my friends, but Israel is our nation, not America.”

You should read the whole thing, and give Fishman a piece of your mind (with civility!) in the comments if you like. I’d only observe that it’s striking and scary to me how those who subscribe to the mutated, radical Zionism of Fishman—the belief not merely that Jews have the right to a state of their own in the Holy Land, but that it is the sole state of all Jews whether they like it or not—can sound like the anti-Zionists. “Thank you for giving me wonderful children who are all growing up as Jews from the tip of their kippot down to their sandals and Crocs, without dual loyalties and schizophrenic identities,” Fishman writes, and here is betting that if blogs like Mondoweiss see this article, they will highlight it, too: Fishman is making their point for them.

Here is the first radio broadcast of “God Bless America,” a great American song written by Irving Berlin.

Jewish Identity Quiz [The Jewish Press]
The Fourth of July Is Coming. Who Cares? [The Jewish Press]

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The question of loyalty is surely an interesting one (otherwise people wouldn’t be talking about it for decades), but the matter of not celebrating Murrrrka (with a capital Red, White and Blue) out of some sense of Zionism is ridiculous. Are Jews only able to celebrate a certain number of holidays a year?

I had a grand time on Yom Ha’atzmaut at a Haifa street party and I’ll have a grand time on Independence Day at a friend’s BBQ in Tel Aviv. I have more than enough love for both countries, the USA where I was born and raised and Israel where I’ve decided to make my life. I didn’t move to Israel because I hate America. This is just where I choose to be. So why should I only celebrate the one?

An aside: Great photo choice. I cannot think of a better option.

Thanks Marc for spreading the message. By the way, the children of the Jew in the photo you posted all intermarried and his grandchildren are all gentile.

The United States offered unprecedented freedoms of religion and worship when it was established. Considering our history, that’s truly something for Jews to celebrate. The Fourth of July is a holiday that celebrates an extraordinary historical event; the fact that the State of Israel exists does not mean that Jews can’t appreciate it for what it is.

Not to mention, arguably speaking, if not for the United States and the freedoms that it represents, the State of Israel might not be in existence to begin with.

That’s Alan Ginsburg – He was gay.

mouskatel says:

Fishman is a blowhard who loves to hear himself rant. Many American olim celebrate the 4th with gusto here in Israel- complete with BBQ and sometimes some fireworks.

Mr Fishman’s diatribe, besides being fallacious on numerous levels, is little more than an extension of the “am reika” crap that some rabbis like to peddle in yeshiva. It’s a line i never bought, and never will. I am equally proud that I was born in the USA and that I served in the IDF. There is no contradiction, and Mr Fishman’s either/or singlemindedness is no different, really, than that of the antisemites here in America who spread the BS dual-loyalty canard. He proves it by asking the same question they ask.

Mr. Fishman lives in a world of his own! The USA has given me freedoms my Forefathers would have only dreamed of! The 4th, to me represents all of these. I really feel sorry for this Guy!!!

shimon36 says:

The author besmirches the memory of the thousands of Jews who died fighting in the US military, all the way back to Francis Salvador, who died in the Revolutionary war. In fact, Israel’s first general was an American Jew, and a colonel in the US Army. He died fighting for Yerushalayim.

The US is a more free place for Jews today than Israel, in my view. Only in Israel do Jews spit on other Jews and spraypaint Holocaust museums. Only in Israel are there all haredi brigades segregated from the rest of the military. Only in Israel is a kippa a political statement. Only on Tel Aviv beaches are Jewish youths covered in tattooes and swearing in Hebrew. I love both countries, but the author needs to get real with his holier-than-thou viewpoint and reductionist assumptions about what HaShem wants for all Jews in the world. I am a proud Jew, and a proud American who loves Israel. My kids will be raised with kashrut, shabbos, and Fourth of July.

The real feelings of the Jews come out! Jews only love America when they are fighting to aide in the expansion of their borders. İ can think of one thing in nature that does this and that is a parasite feeding off a host!

The real feeling of the jews! Never once do they thank us Americans for the munitions they recieve yearly. They sure do love it when we give them the means to expand their illegal occupation. There is only one other thing that feeds on their host and they are called parasites.

shimon36 says:

who do you think you are? I am active duty US military and a proud Jew, with veterans in my family who VOLUNTARILY joined. Anti-semitism is UN-AMERICAN.

brynababy says:

You pig! These other letters show the lie to your ugliness and hate.

There’s nothing radical about Fishman’s Zionism. Jewish nationalism – Zionism – implies allegiance to the Jewish state.

Apparently, Tzvi Fishman does not comprehend the history of the Jewish People in America any better than he comprehends the history of the Jewish People in Israel, nor does he grasp the Halachic breaches for which he advocates.

Some day (and may that day come soon), the Moshiach will come to bring all Jews to our ancestral home.

Until that day arrives, every Jewish American has ample justification to honor our home in the Galut just as every American Jew has ample justification to honor our home in Eretz Yitzrael.

Apparently, Tzvi Fishman does not comprehend the history of the Jewish People in America any better than he comprehends the history of the Jewish People in Israel, nor does he grasp the Halachic breaches for which he advocates.

Some day (and may that day come soon), the Moshiach will come to bring all Jews to our ancestral home.

Until that day arrives, every Jewish American has ample justification to honor our home in the Galut just as every American Jew has ample justification to honor our home in Eretz Yitzrael.

Well said.

The Fishman’s of the world bring out of others what is most causticallystewing in their own innards. Hatred and contempt.
Such hatred and contempt spawned by arrogance and ingratitude!
Who can understand it? It is intolerable. Yet in America this too is tolerated for the sake of a greater truth and principles.

Someone once said that the chief evil of anti-semitism is that for the hater there are no good jews or bad Jews there are just Jews.
How about a carefully reasoned constructive response rather than what you’ve offered up so far.

Isolation is not the answer.

Is anyone other than an Israeli Jew offend you? Does it really matter?

Tony, you are a disgrace!

Rachel Lawrence says:

Since when is “The Jewish Press” Modern Orthodox?

Jeffrey Landaw says:

Marc Angel, the emeritus Rabbi of New York’s Orthodox Spanish and Portuguese Synagogue, has five words for this attitude: “Historically wrong and morally dubious.”

This is my country. I chose to live in the diaspora that is America and I celebrate the 4th. In case Fishman doesn’t know it, Jews were here at the birth of the nation and some financed it.

Tzvi- The Jew in the photo is Allen Ginsberg the great poet who was gay. No children and he was a humble, caring mensch.

Get the anti Jewish Tony Slaughter, the shagitz off this site.

Tony the Goy- go hang out in the bar with all the other drunken Catholics. They are your kind.

This Fishman guy makes Jews look bad…. We are Americans here and we celebrate on the 4th of July…. if you don’t like it… MOVE back to where you came from..

Alas Mr. Fishman gives credence to all the whispering bigots who claim Jews cannot be loyal Americans because of their loyalty to Israel (and for that matter that that neither can Roman Catholics due to their loyalty to Rome). A false and dangerous dichotomy. Perhaps Mr. Fishman might consider Geo. Washington’s letter to Touro Synagogue to give him some historical perspective on Jews in America:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Letter_to_Touro_Synagogue

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