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On Why the Czechs Voted With Israel

Examining the unlikely alliance

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While Europe was seemingly “lost” in the words of one Israeli official with regard to yesterday’s vote on the Palestinian status at the United Nations, one European country held firm: the Czech Republic. The Czechs were one of nine countries to vote outright against the initiative to give Palestine non-observer member status.

To gain some insight on this, I got in touch with James Kirchick, a Tablet columnist and a fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, who lives in Berlin and is our expert on Central Europe.

Here’s his Praguenosis:

The Czech vote against upgrading Palestinian status at the United Nations is significant, as it sets the small, Central European country apart from every other nation on the continent, all of which voted for the motion or abstained. Once Germany announced that it would abstain rather than vote against the measure, many assumed that the Czechs would follow the lead of their large and influential neighbor.

That the Czechs sided with Israel and the United States demonstrates the importance that Prague attaches to the transatlantic alliance, as it was willing to buck its fellow EU members and side with Washington on a controversial issue. The vote also shows the affinity that the Czech Republic has long felt for Israel, an affinity that dates at least from the visit that Tomas Masaryk, the first President of independent Czechoslovakia, made to Palestine in 1927, through communist Czechoslovakia’s supply of weapons to the Jewish State in the 1948 War of Independence, the presidency of Vaclav Havel (whose second state visit as president of free Czechoslovakia was to Israel), up to the present day. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made two visits to Prague in the last two years. On his most recent trip just a few months ago–a joint cabinet summit that was the largest ever for the Czech Republic–he presciently declared that Israel has “no better friends in Europe than the Czech Republic.” Though Prague made a decision that was unpopular internationally, its support for Israel is not likely to be forgotten in either Washington or Jerusalem.

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The spectacle of most of its neighbors once again aligning themselves against the Jews must have seemed Kafkaesqe.

Poupic says:

While in the IDF a long time ago, my gun was a Mauser with Swastika’s stamped all over it supplied by Tchekoslovakia. The other one was the MG-34, a machine gun a little too delicate for the sands of the Middle East. Tchekoslovakia was practically the savior of Israel in 1948. We can never forget that friend.

Funny how you call it IDF when in fact your military only seems to attack other people. In the past 50 years, I don’t think your army has engaged in combat inside Israeli territories, and as such, should appropriately be called IAF (Israeli Aggression Forces).

And speaking of the Palestinian U.N. bid, I hear your former prime minister Ehud Olmert is supporting it. So he must be, according to this article and its comments, a Nazi, a non friend of Israel. Now why was a PM of yours a Nazi, might I ask?!

Poupic says:

You are apparently a great student of history. 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, are those numbers telling you anything? Something? By the way, How do you feel about the Tibetan people? The Kurds? The Christians in Arab lands? Only The Jewish state interest you? Why is that? The great Martin Luther King, my personal hero was right. Anti- Zionists are in fact just plain anti- Semites.

Your an idiot.

LMAO. You people are so quick to play the “anti-Semite” card these days that one would think you are running out of propaganda ideas. But you know what, I am extremely self confident that I’m not an anti-Semite. Anti-Zionist, yes. That, I am. But there are Jewish rabbis who are anti-Zionists, so your logic is flawed. And on a side note, does me being an anti-Zionist working through democratic and peaceful means to expose Israel as the monster state it really is, does that subject me to your drones and hellfire missiles too, or just to political and character assassination? Oh, and btw, I am an Arab-Christian, living a great life, as are millions of my compatriots, but thanks for caring about us (wink wink)!!

Oh, and yes, 1967 was the last time Israel had to play “home defense”, so you were right about one thing: i was way off in saying “last 50 years”, when in fact it’s last “45 years”. Pheww, what a game changer!

The last time IDF fought inside Israel was when they removed people from Israelis from Gaza, removed Israelis from a couple of settlement blocs, removed Israelis from the streets of tel-Aviv.
See, we consider that the IDF should be used to defend Israel inside and out, and it does!
Now, when was the last time the US Marines attacked the American citizen inside America. I know they bully, and threaten, and blow up and kill innocents EVERYWHERE in the world.
Perhaps the USMC should be renamed the USNC–United States Nazi Corps.?

Also, MLK never advocated achieving piece through power or war to ameliorate negotiating conditions regarding land, capital city and settlements. MLK advocated achieving peace through non violence. And please, in this whole analogy, when it comes to the Israeli x Palestinian conflict, Israelis are the “White Establishment” if anything, and not the oppressed “minorities”, so please, do me a favor and lay-off the MLK quoting. It’s time for Arabs and Palestinians to stop paying the price of what Europeans did to Jews.

Name calling. How educated and mature of you!

Poupic says:

An Arab Christian leading a great life. I do not have to guess. If you are not lying which I suspect you are I am sure you do not live in any Arab country because those who can flee. You are definitely an anti- Semite according to my Hero Martin Luther King: “ When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews — make no mistake about it.”

Poupic says:

Go away! “White establishment” when you talk about Jews! Alone in the world Jews have saved thousands upon thousands of African Jews at great risk and cost to bring them home to Israel. The Jews of all Arab lands are today safe in Israel. White establishment? You are a racist half cocked on color. You sound like not a Christian but either a follower of Farralhan or Pastor Wright. I now think I have your number right.

Poupic says:

I( noticed that your concern is only about The Jewish nation. Not about Kurds, Tibetans…

Better read your history, Sam Cook. Palestinian leaders during World War II were ardent Nazis, visiting their high command in Germany, and importing the worst of their propaganda. Look up Mufti of Jerusalem and Nazis, and you’ll get some nice photos of chats with Hitler to confirm that. This whole Palestinians are innocent of Nazism canard is tiresome.

julis123 says:

The best defense is a good offense.

Benjamin_Isaac says:

Arab Christians are a sad case. They are persecuted by their “brethren,” their numbers are dwindling, they arguably aren’t even ethnically Arab (but rather descendants of indigenous Levantines, like Jews), but, with the exception of the Maronites, seem to have internalized dhimmi status.

Truly, the only possibility for a free Christian future in the Middle East would be a “Christian Israel” where they could have political independence. I quote Philip Jenkins’ The Lost History of Christianity: “The Christians who constituted 10 percent of the region’s population in 1900 made up at most 3 percent by the end of the century . . . Middle Eastern Christianity has, within living memory, disappeared as a living force.”

I read an article recently about an Israeli Christian Arab trying to revive Aramaic as a spoken language (http://forward.com/articles/164127/maronite-christians-seek-to-revive-aramaic-languag/?p=all). If there is a future for Christian Arabs in the Middle East, it will be in the one place they have true religious freedom: Israel.

ginzy1 says:

BTW, Netanyahu’s office announced that he will pay a visit to Prague this Wednesday when traveling to a previously scheduled visit to Germany, so that he could express Israel’s gratitude to the Czechs personally.

There is an additional reason that the Czechs side with Israel, that JK seems to have forgotten. The Czechs still remember the double-crossing from the Western democracies they received in Munich so that Chamberlain could proclaims “Peace in our time!”.

As part of the Chamberlain’s campaign, much of the Western media, and especially the British papers & the BBC, carried all kinds of lurid fantasies about how the Czechs were oppressing the German minority in that country, all in order to make the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia a more palatable sacrifice to Hitler in exchange for “peace”. This painted Czechoslovakia as a pariah state, especially in minds of the “enlightened elite” and intelligentsia in Britain and elsewhere who were willing to say or do anything in the vain hope of appeasing Hitler.

To this day many Czechs see Israel in an analogous situation, albeit with a greater ability to defend itself militarily. They are especially wary of the picture painted by the progressobabellian MSM media about Israel’s supposed war crimes, daily slaughtering of Palestinians, stories of Israel harvesting Palestinian organs and all the other lurid stories about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They’ve been there & they’ve been mugged too.

hg
J’lem / Efrat

Correction 1973 Yom Kippur War.

UncleStu says:

Sad to say but, sometimes name calling provides an accurate description – as in your case.

I think the real reason the Czechs voted against Palestine is simply that the Israelis exerted the requisite pressure on the right Czech government officials. Bribery, blackmail, though of a laughable sort. The Czech do not give anything away free. But having said that, I would agree with almost everything else the author of the article said. As an American living in the Czech Republic, I’d have to say that almost any Czech who knows or cares anything about the subject, tends to be very pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian. They also have a longstanding link to Jews and the Jewish state, dating back to Masaryk. And again, if they know anything at all about the subject, they tend to be very assertive and proud of the fact. They have very little sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians and they tend to associate arabs with the old communist regime. Czechs tend to be right wing and superficial about politics, especially international politics. They like Israelis largely because they hate arabs. From what I noticed, the Israelis have put in a lot of influence here in the Czech Republic. Some of it has been of the dodgy variety, but it’s all on a very personal, one-to-one level, which works with the Czechs.

My best friend’s dad test flew Czech Messerschmitts that then got supplied to the Israelis. It was one of his proudest achievements

Harika Limon says:

hahaha.. so they voted ‘for’ hoping to get a few crumbs from the big table. … not exactly a great endorsement for Israel.

Harika Limon says:

I can only agree. Czechia is a miserable country with the most miserable people I have ever met in any country, still recovering from the communist era. Everything looks poor, neglected, unloved, with the possible exception of Prague. Empathy with the suffering of others is unknown. So I am not surprised.

Poupic says:

It follows by your logic that voting to get oil is a great endorsement of the PLO terror gang, right?

Why can’t those who disagree with others be civil?

Name calling is the rhetoric of those who have run out of ideas.

Offense yes. But why be offensive?

Israel’s political policies have alienated the rest of the world only because of its in-your-face defiance of universal values regarding human rights, Its best friends are treated with arrogance and political treachery. Its rejection of authentic Jewish ethics and values manifests the true face of Zionism.Israel’s curse and a burden which will prove to be unbearable.And to think of what might have been.

That is a grotesque distortion the implications of which are plainly antisemitic, so spare us the reference to Jewish ethics. Israel is not a utopia, except by the standards of the Middle East, by comparison with which it is in fact a utopia. No widespread oppression of women, no slavery under the guise of ordinary if rather extreme migrant labor practices, an educational and healthcare system available to all of its citizens. tolerance of homosexuality and a political system that depends on popular referendum rather than armed revolution. Israel is an exemplar for all of its neighbors, who would do well by their own citizens to try to emulate its social and political norms. That won’t happen, however, so long Jew-haters like you, draping themselves in the garb of disenchanted supporters shed wistful crocodile tears for what might have been, all the while providing cover for violent insurrectionists, abettors of terror and despotically murderous regimes. Get yourself back to the Damascus press office.

Natan79 says:

The Czechs surely don’t look retarded. But you certainly do.

Natan79 says:

Listen piece of shit Sam Cook, Israelis were attacked in Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem many times since 1948. Is that not on Israeli territory?

Here are two very sincere wishes for you:
- May a bomb fall on your house when you’re inside, the same kind of bomb that fell on these Israeli cities since 1948.
- May the bus explode when you travel on it and may you be made into pieces, just as Jews were torn by your friends and quite possibly yourself.

Natan79 says:

That’s why Sam Cook likes them, because they were Nazis.

The IDF should fight within Israel? Their role is to defend our borders, which are lined with civilian settlements. They would be a failure if they fought behind the borders. Remember,the Arabs can lose all the wars without greatly affecting the status quo; Israel can lose only once. The invasion of Beirut in 1982 was the only example that supports your argument. Since then war has become a long range affair. To defend the civilian population, the target of the groups fighting us, we have to attack their missile arsenals, rather than standing next to the fence, watching the missile fly over.

Grown Up says:

Your opinions and knowledge would be better received if you spoke with kindness and respect for one another….Stop hating!

Rebecca says:

“…about Israel’s supposed war crimes, daily slaughtering of Palestinians,
stories of Israel harvesting Palestinian organs and all the other lurid
stories about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

SUPPOSEDLY? Open a paper or try surfing the web – The X-Settlement Daily just isn’t enough!

No doubt you are an antisemite. The way you tweak historical facts tells it all. Anyone supporting the racist neonazi ideology of a hamas is an antisemite.

Pierre says:

Can anybody tell me on what basis Jewish people call Israel THEIR homeland, rather than thus being the homeland of whoever has been or is living in that territory ?

Poupic says:

Can anybody tell me on what basis the French people Call France THEIR homeland?

Pierre says:

Well, there’s the whole difference, there’s no reference to any specific cultural or religious concepts. Being “Jewish” is a cultural or religious reference, isn’t it ? You can be French and be an atheist, Jew, Christian, Muslim or buddhist.

Pierre says:

If you apply that same concept to Israel, then Israel is the homeland of Jews, Muslims, Christians and non-believers alike (and in no particular order).

Poupic says:

Amazing how in spite of your willful ignorance you say the right thing. As luck would have it, I am an atheist Jew and still part of the Jewish nation. The French police when it came to arrest my mother did not ask themselves if she practiced the Jewish religion or not. They simply arrested her, put her in a French concentration camp, Drancy and then shipped her in a French cattle car to her death in Auszchwitz by a French manufactured gas, ZYKLON-B.

FormerCorr says:

Speaking as a former correspondent in Prague before, during and after the Velvet Revolution, I would say that the key reason why the Czech republic supports Israel is that it learnt from experience the dangers of totalitarian thinking, and recognises that in Hamas – it also knows what it is for a state to have existential fears, as does Israel, and a threat from a larger neighbour

Poupic says:

What concept? The concept of France sending “It’s” Jews to their death? Here is the reality for you to learn. In the whole Middle East there is only one place where all religions are safe, protected by the government and Christians so safe that they grow in numbers instead of fleeing abroad: Israel. Everywhere else non- Muslims are living on borrowed time if still there.

Pierre says:

And why is this limited to the Czechs ? What about Slovaks, Hungarians, Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Slovenians ? Don’t these people have a very similar history ?

FormerCorr says:

I could say that it is because the Czechs benefited from good leadership at the start, in President Havel, who was able to recognise a principle when it stared him in the face. Hence his (unpopular but principled) apology for the postwar expulsion of Sudeten Germans, as an example of collective punishment that helped pave the slippery slope towards totalitarianism

Pierre says:

Why do you always come back with the Holocaust ? We’re not talking about the second world war here, but about current situation. And for your information, I’m not French but Belgian and where I’m from (Brussels), the local authorities have not cooperated with the Nazis.

And there are numerous other countries where governments are secular and “defend” their citizens regardless of their (dis)beliefs and my country is one of them.

I don’t want to draw a parallel between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and what was done to the Jews during WWII, but more and more people are drawing these analogies. Even so, it is a shame how Israel disrespects UN resolutions and treats the Palestinians. An overwhelming majority of Europeans (and others) has voted FOR the Palestinian observer state membership because they are deeply shocked by what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Less and less Europeans consider Israel as a friendly nation and see it as just another Rogue State.

And you haven’t answered my question: on what grounds is Israel a “jewish” homeland ?

Pierre says:

… but Havel was also the Slovak’s president at the time …

Pierre says:

Don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way a supporter of Hamas, and I think they are definitely not the leadership the Palestinians need. But when a people is humiliated the way the Palestinians have been for the last 40 odd years, when generations after generations of kids grow up without any hope of having a normal life, then what else can be expected ? And what is also interesting, is how you refer to the Palestinians as “Terrorists” … ever heard of Deir Yassin ? Or the bombing of the King David Hotel in 46 ?

One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s Terrorist …

Pierre says:

What happened was a terrible crime indeed, no discussion about that. But on what grounds do atheist Jews say that Israel is a “Jewish” state (I assume that this is your opinion, if not please correct me) ? Religious people will quote some ancient textbook, but what do quote non-religious Jews have as an argument ? I would really like to hear that ….

I’ve been to Prague twice and I think it’s the most beautiful city in the world. Now I love it even more!

Poupic says:

Yes in spite of your wilful ignorance, we are the Jewish nation that has a religion called Judaism. Do you have a problem with that? Of course you do since you are ready to make mental gymnastics to negate the truth. Israel is a democratic country, a Jewish nation that includes Christians and believe it or not Muslims. In that Jewish nation all religions are protected. You are simply a run of the mill anti- Semite who would instead call himself anti- Zionist which by any analysis is the exactly the same.

Poupic says:

Do you have to quote ancient religious texts to be a Belgian or a French? Same here.

Pierre says:

First of all you don’t know me, so please stop calling me names. Is your aggressivity due to the fact that you feel cornered because your arguments are so shaky ? My questions is WHY, on what grounds is Israel a “Jewish Nation” ? What right do Jews have to define that land as “theirs” ?

FormerCorr says:

Yes, but like all Prague-based politicians at the time, he was not really considered one of their ‘own’; that was part of the narrative of separation. And Slovakia had a different wartime history, and needed time to sort out its thinking about that; post–89 nationalists tried to resurrect collaborator Father Tiso as a hero.

Of course, leadership is only one factor, and doesn’t explain everything. But it *is* a factor

Poupic says:

Believe me! I do not want to know you in the first place. By the way we have been a nation by at least a millennia before there was a Belgian nation. Go away! You bore the shit out of me beside givoing me nausea.

Pierre says:

You so full of bile man, amazing. By that same argument, the Native Americans should also be allowed to kick out all the European settlers and claim the land as their own … You confirm that there is no foundation for that claim, other than religious nonsense or some claims about ancient lands.

genelevit says:

He just explained to you who you are. Since you are an idiot you cannot understand that yourself. Therefore say “thank you” to him

adietd says:

Pierre , population get displaced when there is war . I would have been an apatride hasn’t Israel gave me citizenship after having been trown from an arab country in 67 . Israel is the jewish homeland for all jews . I did not convert into a terorist ,neither do I dream to come back to my childhood house . And pls give me examples of ‘ what Israelies do to poor palestinians ‘ .As far as I am concerned Israeli Universitues and Hospitals are full of Palestinians . You are welcome to come and have a look for yourself !

genelevit says:

Maybe you don’t realize that but your runt is just a carbon copy of the ant-semitic propaganda that was used by nazis before and during WWII to put the blame for everything on Jews. Why Israel is responsible for those kids? What Deir Yasin (even if it is true) has to do with the present condition of children on the territory governed by the Palestinian Authority? Shall I blame you for the fact that your ancestors expelled my ancestors from the territory of the present territory France-Belgium 600 years ago and demand compensation? Or isn’t the present day horrible condition of people in Congo due to the mistreatment and massacres of your ancestors there? Maybe one day you will become ashamed of these Belgian actions and instead of teaching others start your own redemption?

Pierre says:

Hello, who has decided that Israel is the jewish homeland for all jews ?

Why not the homeland of all people that were living there before the state was created ? Do you find it normal that palestinians were chased from their villages in 48 and now live in refugee camps since all these years ? Youwere lucky to have a “state” that welcomed you. Palestinians deserve the same rights, a state that also welcomes them.

About the “bad things that Israelis do to poor palestinians”, have you seen the documentary called “5 broken cameras” ? Granted, I haven’t been to the occupied territories to see it for myself but witness & journalists accounts abound about the daily hardships of people in Gaza or the West Bank that it can hardly be dismissed as mere anti-semitic propaganda. I would also refer to the work of journalist Joe Sacco who has brought back many an account from Gaza. My only personal account is from the time I was in south Lebanon, when I witnessed a boat loaded with medication destined for Gaza that had come back there after having been rammed by an Israeli warship.

One question: is it true that Arabs & Jews have separate phone directories in Israel ?

What a bizzarre comment! Most nations do not use their military within their own borders except under the most dire circumstances. When is the last time Britain fought on British soil or the U.S. on American soil? You would consider the U.S. the “agressor” in both World Wars because we fought on foreign soil? IDF DEFENDS against murderous Arab onslaughts, the same as any country’s defense forces protects its people.

It’s time for Israel to quit paying the price of Arab failures. Arab nations created the Palestinian problem as a political scapegoat to deflect from their own oppressive regimes. MLK fully supported the Jewish state of Israel and would be appalled at the horrors of Palestinian terrorism.

And if you look at Arab armies today, they goosestep and salute exactly as their nazi mentors taught them. Those who escaped justice at Neuremburg were welcomed with open arms to new lives in Arab countries.

Wow, it’s on the internet so must be the truth! Yea, “supposed” is a pretty mild word to describe blatant untruths and outright slander.

By what right is Iran the “Islamic Republic of Iran” or the king of Saudi Arabia is “the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques” or the British monarch heads the Church of England?

genelevit says:

Now you are back to your ignorant rant. “Do you find it normal that palestinians were chased from their villages in 48 and now live in refugee camps since all these years ?” Do you know that Jews were also expelled from their homes by the same palestinians in the same 1948 (from East Jerusalem, Gush Etzion, Neve Yakov, etc) but unlike Palestinians they don’t live in refugee camps? Don’t you know that 6 million Germans were chased from their homes in 1946 but they don’t live in refugee camps also? Don’t you know that 100 thousand Cubans were expelled by Castro in 1980 and for a number of years they indeed lived in refugee camps in Florida but they don’t live there any more? Do you want more examples? In the past there were talks that the problem with the Palestinian refugees was that Arab countries didn’t want to absorb them. But now these “brothers” live not under the foreign rule but under the rule of Palestinian Authority and Hamas ( in Gaza) but they still are not being absorbed into Palestinian society. Palestinians refuse to help other Palestinians (what they call “their brothers”) and you blame for that Jews! Have you heard about Julius Streicher, BTW?

Natan79 says:

No they don’t. Romania and Hungary were strong and willing allies of Nazi Germany in both battles and extermination of Jews. They were not victims. Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonian – willing collaborators. Learn some history.

Natan79 says:

No shit. I lived in France for 3 years, yet had no chance of getting citizenship. Liar.

Natan79 says:

Jews are a people, just as French are. If French are not a people, then why don’t you leave France and leave it to others? Pierre you are so typically the French anti-Semite: you deny the right to be a people ONLY to Jews. The best day of my life is when I left France and people like yourself.

Natan79 says:

What rights do French have to call France their country?

Natan79 says:

The best would be if the bretons would kick the French out of France.

Natan79 says:

Where you come is Belgium? Half the of Belgian Jews were killed with the help of local Belgian authorities. And now tell us on what grounds is Belgium the homeland of Belgians.

Fuck you anti-Semite. I’m glad to have left poisoned Europe with people like yourself. What’s your real name anyway, Leon Degrelle?

Natan79 says:

Yes Leon Degrelle, that’s why your grandparents killed black Africans by the millions in Congo and sent Jews to Auschwitz. Collabo de merde, va te faire foutre!

Natan79 says:

Is it true that you are Nazi Belgian? Yes it is.

Natan79 says:

For 20 years you write about only Israeli pressure everywhere. No wonder you’re so fascinated with Nazi Germany, Brendan McNally.

Natan79 says:

Stormfront babe, eh? Where’s you T-shirt with Adolf? Or Che Guevara? Shit brains like yours gravitate to murderers.

Natan79 says:

No way, fucking Sam Cook the Arab Christian only has a problem with the Jews. Just check out what the creep posts in general.

retard88 says:

Zachariah 12:3: ‘On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves’….. So pretty much all you liberal anti-Zionist fools are going to be completely shamed because God supports Israel, you only hate Israel because you have evil hearts, You rationalise you antipathy toward Jews by the manufactured Palestinian grievance, but really it is only subterfuge and a disguise for anti-Semitism.

Rebecca says:

To compare anti-zionism with hating jews is the same as comparing anti-talibanism with hating muslims. Zionism is extreme, jews aren’t (necessarily), and all kinds of extremism is a problem. Especially the sense of a special entitlement (God’s chosen people and land) based on an old book!

Rebecca says:

Oh my! Here we go. Can’t stand being opposed much?

Rebecca says:

So I suppose that our government’s constant encrouching on Palestinian territory, our numerous breaches of ceasefire and UN resolutions, the blokade of Gaza’s coast line etc. etc. is also fiction…

Read a paper.

Ian Wells says:

Pierre, obviously you are not aware that the arabs themselves ordered the palestinians to leave newly independant Israel so they could Massacre all things (jews) loiving in the land???

that was 1947

And they have been living in refugee camps ever since

What a useless people

Ian Wells says:

Pierre, have you seen the Communist propaganda on the hubgarian rebellion in ’56??

Or maybe the German Propaganda of thwe war years on their “liberated lands”??

If you beleive biased and propaganda you will beleive anything. Also, the only countru in Europe which DID NOT SURRENDER its jews was Denmark!

avivkalm says:

then why do they refuse to negotiate (except of course on their “all-or-nothing” demands)?

genelevit says:

True. Over 10 thousands Belgian volunteers (mainly from the French-speaking part of the country) made up nazi SS Vallonien division and committed a number of atrocities in Ukraine and Estonia, including mass executions of civilians and intentional destruction of their property.

genelevit says:

True. Over 10 thousands Belgian volunteers (mainly from the French-speaking part of the country) made up nazi SS Vallonien division and committed a number of atrocities in Ukraine and Estonia, including mass executions of civilians and intentional destruction of their property.

After all the historic truth revealed in the article and several comments concerning why the Czech Republic voted the way it did, you still have to come up with the “Bribery” and “blackmail” accusations just shows how much of an anti-Semite you are. How about the tiny Republic of Nauru in the Central Pacific which also voted against the PA did they also receive a “bribe” or a “blackmail” from Israel ? Please don’t come up with some concocted story because I know better than you because I am from that country. Nauru is an independent State and gets no aid from Israel. The only other country that gives aid to Nauru is Australia and they cowardly abstained. The majority is not always right…as proven throughout history and yes people do give things away free…including the Czechs, If they didn’t the impoverished of this world will not survive for one day….from the way you wrote I can see that you are a sad and miserable person who would not spare a dime for any poor needy person that you come across.

mauloa says:

I’ve added Czechoslovakia to my list of Intelligent and sane Countries. For France, the UK and others to abstain is cowardly. This is not the Country of Margaret Thatcher and as for France, well… what can I say! Either vote “for or against” and then defend your choice. Our pompous President Obama voted “present” almost totally when he was in the Illinois Senate – that should have given us a clue on what we could expect. Bengazi is an example of his “dallying”. Many Countries do no understand why Israel WILL AND MUST EXIST, and no matter what votes are taken, what the U.N. spews or how the U.S. President dallies… Israel will remain. Terrible times may ensue, but I assure you – I would rather be standing with Israel in that last battle (as will the Czechs). You may scoff at my comments – but I do know of what I speak.

mauloa says:

I think your name “Sam Cook” is an AKA – so you can make stupid and ignorant statements, and not have to be “outed”. The best thing the Palestine terrorists do is “throw rocks” and blow up women and children. I don’t read of the Israeli’s putting their mortors/rocket launchers next to Daycare/Mosques/Hospitals… so they can shell their neighbor. Try another line or suggestion. Or better yet, think before you speak. Sorry pal, you blew this one.

mauloa says:

You may be a Arab-Christian, but you are so prejudice against Jews, your language drips with venom. You turn anything to a “trash Israel”. One of the U.S. most powerful and admired Congress member is an Arab-Christian, and he makes a huge difference in the U.S. with his wisdom. No one trashes an honest individual of any race, creed or religion. Don’t play like you run with this crowd! (wink, wink)!!

mauloa says:

Poupic… I think Sam Cook is the devil trying to drive us all nuts because of his stupidity. I was answering half his comments, and have come to realize this man “gets off” by writing these hateful and disgusting comments. LET’S ALL QUIT LETTING ‘SAM COOK’ GET OFF’ WITH OUR HELP AND IGNORE THIS INSIPID CREATURE! Unite against Sam Cook by shunning his comments – he doesn’t deserve all the attention he is getting. Shalom

mauloa says:

Sam Cook is a creep, and I suggest we SHUN the creep. I love Israel, and I am a Christian – not with a “-”… rather, a Christian – who are suppose to love all mankind. Again, Israel is so important to all of us. As Israel goes, so goes the world.

Antisemitism is not anti-zionism. I have a great admiration for many great Jews.

There was a time when the whole world felt pity for you for the sufferings you endured. Nearly the whole world thought you deserved a land. You got it.

Today, you have become the 7th military power in the world. Your country is prosperous and we are glad for you.

What we can’t understand is why you need more land. OK, you want the land for reasons that we can’t understand, but why destroy houses and expel people? Why not take the land and let them live?

Being the most high tech army, is it necessary to kill people the way you do it? OK, let’s say your religion – which I don’t know – needs a few human sacrifices. It’s OK killing militants and people who fight you, but why children and women? Your ‘targeted killings’ do not seem targeted at all.

The day following the cease fire your soldiers killed an insane person who dared to approach too near the buffer zone. How can you do that and say it is for security reasons? You bombed a house killing 10 people in it and instead of apologizing, you simply said it was the wrong house.

How can we, ordinary people, can appeal to you? What can we say that may touch your heart?

Stealing is stealing, whoever you may be, Jew, Muslim, Christian or atheist. Killing is a crime and will remain so until the end of the world.
Please, stop it.

prospector5 says:

What was the IDF doing a couple of weeks ago as rockets from Gaza rained down on Israel. DEFENDING ISRAEL TERRITORY AND CIVILIANS FROM OUTSIDE ATTACK. You need to quit lyin’ to yourself and try to get a grasp of reality that is divorced from your political-philosophical-stupidity.

mauloa says:

In answer to your question, Denis Gray. It would be wondeful to have intelligent and informative conversations – but it takes two sides with the same desire. Sam Cook is nothing but trying “to get a rise” out of this thread. I’m sure he sits back and is “tickled” (I’m not going to explain that to you) by each and every reaction. I say again, just shun those that do this to a good line of conversation. I can tell you are an individual who wants only the best for everyone. I’m sorry it can’t be your way.

Rebecca says:

“Shalom”??? Yeah, you’re a really peaceful person…
What has happened to you all? Why are you so determined to continue the hate? Has it brought us anything good for the past 65 years? And do you think that “the others” hurt any less, than you do? Bleed in a different (and apparently devilish) color?

You should sit down and have a serious conversation with your God, because apparently you aren’t able to decipher the pretty simple message of love by yourselves. I cry for your poor broken hearts and lost souls.

mauloa says:

Denis Gray… I think I made a mistake earlier, I think you and Sam Cook are room mates. You both need some heavy duty help.

Rebecca says:

“All mankind”? Just not the non-christian or non-jewish ones?

Yes, Israel is important but so is the whole planet and if it is supposed to go as Israel goes we better prepare for our final day if we keep up the current direction from Knesset.

Rebecca says:

If you were truly sorry, you wouldn’t act like that youself!

prospector5 says:

You are pathetic in your ignorance. The US has laws preventing the use of soldiers (other than national guard) to operate within it’s borders.
The USMC diligently tries to avoid civilian casualties and operates within a strict and honorable set of engagement rules.

Rebecca says:

Why is it so incomprehensible that people are opposed to our regime of terror without being opposed to our religion, ethnicity etc.? Why is it always being turned around to a question about nazis and anti-semitism? It seems, the logic is that we will be right in all matters and discussions for eternity because of our sufferings 70 years ago…

Stop imposing the same old same old Jewish sense of guilt on everyone else!

Rebecca says:

Could you grow up a little and come up with a real answer instead of just throwing mud?! You’re displaying yourself like an idiot.

The Zionists are the ones that sucked at the Nazi tit in WWII in Palestine. Your history is flawed because it was written by a fellow Zionist or two.

Rebecca says:

Get your facts straight! The Danish Jews had to flee to Sweden because the Danish government had a non-resistance policy towards the Germans.

And now you mention propaganda. What about our own government’s propaganda? Why wont we abide to international law, UN resolutions and so forth? Why are we building even more settlements in Palestinian territories? Why can’t we allow humanitarian aid at the coast of Gaza?

If we don’t start to see both sides (talk to people, read different papers and so on) instead of just trusting Bibi an friends, we will never be free or righteous.

Rebecca says:

Is it true that you are in immature bonehead who has no real arguments. Yes it is and it’s proven by your rants in this debate…

Excuse me. The Zionist Israelis are shipping all blacks out of Israel as fast as they can load them on buses to Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Poupic is a liar.

We can only handle one bully nation at a time. You are the project now. Then we will deal with Kashmir’s neighbors.

What were you and yours doing in Palestine anyway? You could have gone to Argentina like many of your people wanted and some went. Palestine was already a settled country of a thriving economy. There were Jews, Muslim, Christian, Hindi,and pagans all living side by side.

All was well until the invasion of the Zionist Jews with their notion it was all “open land.” Herzl told them that they were destined to be in a “New Israel.”

More IOF Israeli Occupation Force than anything.

Poupic says:

“Shipping all blacks out of Israel” Really? Only those that their country of origin accept them. By the way, they risk their life passing through Egypt, the Sinai to reach Israel. Do you know of any Black person risking it’s life to go to any Arab country? They know better than that. Arab do not call Black people “Black.” They call them “Abed” (SLAVES!). Why do you think all Arab countries support Sudan against the world? They have committed genocide on a wide and long effort and all you can think about is that Israel has return some Black people to their country of origin with some money to restart their life. Israel is the only country in the world that went to Africa and retrieve African co- religionists at great risk and cost. No Black people infiltrators into Israel have been shipped to any Arab state this would be cruel and unusual punishment they do not deserve,

What are you, a still alive NAZI inventing stuff against Jews?

Mohammed Afroz Naiem S says:

It’s better to have an enemy with an independent mind and tells you that you may be wrong than to have a friend who tells you that you’re doing great while you are heading in the way of a speeding vehicle

Michael von Bornemann says:

Yet Israel ethnically cleansed most of it’s Arab christians in 48 & still won’t let those Arab christians that survived return

Tell Hamas to stop killing.

Rebecca says:

Why are you screamng nazi at everyone with an opposing opinion? Can’t you come up with something real or is it a precondition to act like a kindergardener?

Rebecca says:

Erhm… Jewish is not a nationality. Go back to school.

Poupic says:

I did not scream NAZI at everyone. Just at your friend Jim Hyder who just invented a new Blood Libel, this time against Israel. The label fits to a T

Rebecca says:

And now you know who my friends are? JC!

But let me ask you this: Why do you consider him a Nazi?

Poupic says:

Blood libel is enough and sufficient for a definition.

Rebecca says:

So anyone making false (in your opinion) accusations are Nazis? Are you trolling?

Ian Wells says:

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Yes, Rebecca, the Danes had a policy of non-resistance to the Nazi’s, only 400 out of 8,000 were deported, none went to Auschwicz for extermination, The ones that escaped to Sweden were aided by the Danes, The nazi attempts to round them up were thwarted, and they were shipped over to Sweden to safety
Why should Israel allow any aid to go to a country that wants to see then completely obliterated, The arab nations deny their right to exist
and , by the way, I am Australian,

Rebecca says:

So what? It says something about the Danes – not the government.

And the same can be said for the Palestinians who for the most part is sick of Hamas but have no alternative when Hamas is the only ones giving them supplies, schools, hospitals etc. etc.

If we (well, not you as an Australian btw) want the Palestinians to be more amicable, perhaps we should start with not occupying their land, demolishing their houses, build walls, ban them from the spoiled settler’s busses, lift the blokade of Gaza’s coastline, overflowing their fields with waste and sewage water, stealing their olive trees and and and… I don’t understand the surprise with an uprise against an occupying power. And how dare our government keep up the occupation in the name of Israel. Shalom my foot!

Added: Why should Israel allow any aid, you ask. Ever heard of international law and a couple of Geneva conventions?

Ian Wells says:

you, Rebecca , are obviously a bleeding heart liberal, who beleives that good and right will overcome! What is good and right about the palestinian terrorism and murder? Rockets and mortars fired into israel, bombs blowing up school busses, with maybe YOUR friends and relatives on it, hijacking aircraft and blowing them up, with passengers on board. Maybe if you had someone close to you murdered by these so called hard doneby, civilised poor refugees you too might have a different opinion.

If the aid shipments were only humanitarian, then that would be a different matter. But, support for terrorism and murder is their main aid.

Just get a list of the munitions that come in via the tunnels, you might get a rightuous change of mind, wait till they get rockets with sufficient range to target your home, maybe the IRON DOME on that day wont work, too many missiles are fired, or your just plain unlucky, Your mother, son, daughter , husband or others close to you, maybe all of them in one hit?? Will you still be “Oh the poor refugees”

Maybe if the IDA could root out all the Hamas, Fatah and the other murderous scum that inhabits the Gaza strip then peace may have a chance
The reason I compare the arabs with Nazi Germany is that their Goal is the same.EXTERMINATION OF ISRAEL AND THE JEWS.

Rebecca says:

What is good and right about our oppression of a whole people? Firing at civilians instead of protecting them as we are obliged to by international law. Demolishing their houses to build our own on their land. Failing to abide resolutions founded on international law and som on.

Well, actually I wrote a lot of it above but instead of adressing it you just ignore the facts. Your choice but a very sad one…

If we want to separate ourselves from the rest of the world and
strengthen the bully image we’re certainly doing the right thing. Displaying as a rogue state who has lost all sense of human compassion and one would think that WE of all people would know what that’s like, but hey it’s only OUR rights that can be founded on entrocities. *barf*

Ian Wells says:

I am not talking about what is good at all. what is right is a different story. What is good or right about siting a rocket launching site at or near a school or hospital? Should the IDF allow the to continue to fire into israel, or attempt to destroy the site? Collateral damage is OK in my book, particularly in similiar cases. civilian casualties were limited. What about Israeli casualties if the rockets and mortars had not been intercepted, and hamas did NOT care about civilians killed, as a matter of fact, that was their aiming point.
The facts are that the Arabs, and whether they are lebenese, Iraqi, iranian, they are all tarred with the same brush, all they ultimately aim for is the total extermination of Israel.
Obviously you are happy with that, so you can stand in the head of the queue with the rest of your ilk, line up for the machine guns to exterminate, Let those nasty bully boys of the IDF protect the rest of Israel
YOU are only there Rebecca, because of those who have died and been maimed, fighting for Y O U R freedom
Show some respect for them

Rebecca says:

I would really appreciate you not concluding (in which you fail) on my respect for IDF. I had it. Once. It was my family. Once. Now they’re just bullies and that’s why so many refuses to be drafted and why there is a Breaking the Silence organisation. Some of us are actually getting wiser not more numb to what’s going on in our country. Have you even been here? And in the occupied territories?

I’m not happy with anyone being killed!! Your accusations are just ridiculous and makes me assume that you are out of arguments. Also as you continously ignore my questions but just ask new ones yourself.

Why wont you take a stand on the crimes? I could assume a lot of things, but I wont. I’ll just wonder…

Poupic says:

So, anyone asking stupid questions is not particularly either knowledgeable or particularly intelligent. Which applies to you?

In 1948 Czekoslovakia helped Israel. Real friends help you by telling you if you are wrong. in 2012 it is not helping.

Poupic says:

You mean the Czech’s who helped Israel in 1948, practically saved Israel single handedly and now voted for Israel are not real friends?

Rebecca says:

Nice not-answer. Out of arguments? It must be hard not being able to back up such slander as calling people nazis. Can we please get out of the kindergarten and have a serious dialogue?!

Poupic says:

I answered but you chose not to hear it. Thee is part of the Seder that maybe you are familiar with if you are not a reform Jew. The discussion about people asking questions. Look up the one about Rasha ma hou omer. Your question just reminded me of it.

Ian Wells says:

Rebecca, I will apologise for what I said, or at least the way I put it.As i read your comments, I had gathered you were just a bleeding heart. I see now you are ex-service and have fought for your country and so have a right to an opinion.

As an ex-service person myself, I too was ordered to do things that I was not happy doing, but as in any service, orders are obeyed.
And no, i have never been to Israel, I guess i got too old too fast. When i was young enough to go, I was already in the services here in Australia and saw what was going on in Vietnam.

I looked up your reference to the ” Breaking The Silence” organisation

It was a bit of an eye opener, but no different to what has happened in any other occupied territory. Some of the occupying forces do get carried away with their own power and abuse it.
But you cannot excuse the actions of the terrorists in the Gaza strip since 1967 on this. The IDF reactions to the palestinian atrocities are the trigger behind these actions
To Me, a totally bilateral cease fire, dis-armament of the Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza,and recognition of israel’s right to exist would be a good starting point for peace

quiller says:

I see that this article is about the Czech decision to support Israel by voting for Israel in the Palestinian vote of observer status in the United Nations. Czech was one of the 09 nations to do so. Four of the nine nations were small island nations in the Pacific. The result ended up 138 to 09. The debate herein as usual has descended into mud slinging and abuse. The Israeli government of Mr Netanyahu has progressively lost the diplomatic debate around the world as regards Palestine. The consequent Israeli response to the Yes has descended to a farce with Mr Netanyahu’s response of more illegal settlements and witholding of Palestinian revenues. No doubt Mr Netanyahu’s fit of pique has made more friends with these “wise” decisions. Frankly he should have been encouraging the Palestinians to go for the diplomatic route and away from violence. I presume no one in his cabinet, party or supporters will tell him the truth as regards his promotion of the Israeli peoples cause on the international stage beyond the usual political blind ideology as is too often seen. Mr Netanyahu – when you are in a hole – Stop digging !

So now it was Palestinians that killed six million Jews, right? Or maybe you guys think the Germans are on your side. You Israelis don’t just get it. You are worse than the Nazis! Even the Americans whisper about how insufferable you are. No wonder you never founded an empire. The only reason the Europeans & Americans tolerate you is because they all have a christian populace that still believe unfortunately that Jesus was an Israeli. Look around you; aren’t you the only nation in the world that still believes in ‘conquer & occupy’?. Am a West African & out here people are wondering if Israelis aren’t misanthropes.

Well, lots of my country men have been shipped right back to Nigeria. They all recall unspeakable Jewish ‘evil’! One returnee even went as far saying on national media that he now understood why Hitler hated Jews! I never liked Hitler. Only sick people would deny the holocaust. But when over 80% of the UN favour Palestine, then its time for Jews to take another look at their actions. They think primitive; believing ‘jehovah’ gave them all the lands of the middle east! They should throw away the shepherd mentality. What is the fun in being surrounded my haters? Sooner or later one crazy Arab leader will blow up Israel. If Jews are smart, then let them work out an INTELLIGENT way or communing with their neighbours peacefully. In Africa we say that the stubborn fly that wont leave the corpse gets buried with it.

Aloxy, I have looked around, and all I can see for miles and miles is the Great Islamic Empire stretching from North Africa to Indonesia. Until the Arabs pick up and leave their conquered territories and head back to the Hajaz, they will remain the largest empire on the planet. Depends on where in West Africa you hail from, there exists a good chance that you were conquered as well.
I especially enjoyed your last sentence, it is nice to see you have learned a big word and saved it for last. I really doubt that there are many people in W. Africa spending their time wondering if we, Israelis, are misanthropes. It was a stupid thing to say, but it did bring a smile to face.

Jim , sorry but not all of them, I know you would have preferred that we did, but we did not. You do not have to lie Jimmy boy.

Even the tablet has become a forum populated with Ron Paul-bot losers. You can tell who they are, they speak like anti-semites, mock being called racists, and write lies. Seems that they have taken their orders from “Stormfront” and are spending their days writing and writing to evey “Jewish” site. This is their daily acitivity, heck they do not make good golfers and worse fathers.

Petr Hnilica says:

The next reason, why Czechia has no problem to vote for Israels, is public opinion. There is no muslims. Czech are xeno, especially againts gypsis. They see jews as czechs and gypsis as arabs. BMW as jew, TATAmobil as arab.

Sam, nice try at the big lie, but your statement concerning the IDF is wrong. Sorry about that. The army engaged with terrorists last December along the Egytian/Israeli border last December. We won!
You may not remember, or were never informed that the last war with the Hezbollah began with a kidnapping and murder of Israeli soldiers on the Israeli side of the Lebanese/Israel border.
The war in 1973, the Yom Kippur War, meaning Israel was attacked on Yom Kippur, talk about Muslim respect for other religions eh? In that war Syrian troops crossed the Golan and made it down into Israeli territory. From there the IDF pushed them back to the otherside of the Golan Heights.
So there you go Sam, three examples both large and small of the IDF performing a defensive role, before the offense took to the field and steamrolled the competition.
Sam if your are so certain of your position, why do you HAVE TO LIE?

Yes Poupic, you are right..jew hatred by another name. Most Europeans continue to sell out because they fear the devil’s appostles, the Islamic world, more than they fear God. Ever since 1973, they have caved in out of fear of offending their oil supply masters. Hungary was no better and should have done more in lieu of the ugly anti-semitic statements of Jobbik.

Habbgun says:

C’mon Sammy Cook. Everyone here sees through you. Anti-Zionism is the cloak by which left wing white trash is trying to reassert itself. I’m sorry if Europe destroyed itself and people like you have to pretend you care about the very people you hope to imperialistically dominate in the future the way you did in the past. It must be tiring to keep up the facade. People like you never care about Arab mass graves such as was found in Iraq after Saddam fell. You didn’t care when Iranians massacred other Iranian demonstrators. You only care about the Palestinians because they specifically endorsed Aryan superiority under the Mufti. The Palis are perfect for people like you. They get imported by dictators the world over to do their dirty work.

yes, dear Arab-Christian, it is called Stockholm Syndrome and can be treated.

genelevit says:

Why don’t you start to read yourself and get some knowledge? We do allow HUMANITARIAN aid to Gaza.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/HumanitarianAid/Palestinians/Kerem_Shalom_Erez_crossings_humanitarian_aid_Gaza_18-Nov-2012.htm

Would you mind to tell us why East Jerusalem is “palestinian” territory?

Shipping out all blacks???? Do you make up stories to try to support your anti-Semitism. What a sad, lonely and hateful person.

Fox, is that really your name? Is that the best you can take from the English? My Jewish friend, am from the Ibo tribe, East Nigeria. I could feel the sneer in your smile as you hinted that I have learned some big word. Its ok. The world has learned to tolerate the sarcasm of the all-knowing-Jew. You probably havent been to my neighbourhood, so, you wouldnt know how my kinsmen spent their times. But believe me, whatever we are, we know our history. We still retain our originally despite the ills of colonialism, slavery & all. unlike you, I do not call myself Fox, Bush or Winterbottom. I dont fancy Arabs. I have no patience for people who believe that the earth is the center of the universe. i just think that Arabs, especially the once you call neighbours are much more reliable; whatever reason at all. The Jews, after being subdued by every empire they encountered: (Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans…etc) & having lost all form or originality, have also lost the sense of sensitivity. Look beyond your superciliousness; the secret to peace in the middle east is in your palm if you can avoid the scorn & see beyond your spurious intellect. The Arabs didnt conquer half the world by screaming ‘infidels’ all all & sundry, even though that’s probably how they see us all in their myopia. They just figured out a wiser way of doing things. As for Jews: ALL CLEVER & NO WISDOM.

Alex, Stockholm syndrome huh? Is that the reason Jews love Germans & those Europeans so much & hate their real blood brothers, the Semites? Is that why you see yourselves as ‘white people’ now? Now you are talking! I get it now. Wise guy.

Joe Kelsall says:

If you are referring to Dr Martin Luther King Junior, I can explain his remark. Just like many others, MLK knew nothing about the difference between Judaism (good) and Zionism (No good).
In fact,in his book ‘Why we can’t wait’, MLK criticises the Rabbis of the Deep South for telling him to be patient.
Furthermore, MLK came by his fame by serendipity: he was in the right place at the right time and had ‘Greatnesss thrust upon him’ as he led the actions freeing the blacks from the same problems Palestinians face in ‘Israel’. Mazel Tov!

Joe Kelsall says:

And, what pray, do the jews call Christians?

Joe Kelsall says:

Indoctrination.

Poupic says:

Good question! They are either called Christians or Goyim. Please seat down. I would not you to fall down in astonishment. Goy means people, nation. Goyim is the plural. We call ourself Goy too because we are a people too. The Bible mentioned that we will be a great nation (Goy gadol) How do you like that? So every time you talk to an Arab never forget they call you a slave, if you are Black.

Perhaps, unlike most other European countries, the Czechs genuinely regret losing their Jewish population in the Holocaust and are willing to support Israel even against objections of their Leftist-anti-Jewish neighbours. Of course, they also much less depend on Arab oil than the rest of Western Europe.

Israel ethnically cleansed no one. certainly not Christians. Most of the 48 refugees left their places because their leaders called them to leave for few weeks until the Arab invading armies will defeat the Jews. They left, and then stayed out of Israel, because of the was crisis between Israel and Arab states. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGqpFxogRg . http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/the-palestinian-refugee-fraud-exposed/ .

Israel ethnically cleansed no one. certainly not Christians. Most of the 48 refugees left their places because their leaders called them to leave for few weeks until the Arab invading armies will defeat the Jews. They left, and then stayed out of Israel, because of the was crisis between Israel and Arab states. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGqpFxogRg . http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/the-palestinian-refugee-fraud-exposed/ .

Palestinian Ambassador to Lebanon
Abbas Zaki: Two-State Solution Will Lead to the Collapse of Israel….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol8FCf-wq_o

So you call us people? Great! And you were supposed to be doing us a favour? You would have called us slaves if you had an empire & herded other nations like the Arabs did! Judging by your delusional morbid tendencies, which unfortunately, you still carry around. You still are so stupid to even remind us here that god told the Jews they will be a great nations. I bet Hitler never read the bible then. The Babylonians & Assyrians and all the dozen GREAT nations that enslaved your ancestors didn’t either. So you call the inferior Negroes people? Geez! Listen to yourselves for once! Fucking neurotics!

Poupic says:

Jews never had an empire and always called other people, people. Which one do you prefer to be called? People or slave like the Arabs call you? Go ahead, enlighten us.

I did not know that Israeli Aggression Force (IAF) and later IDF were supported by Czecks ! There was no Israel before 1948 in the world map. The Jews who escaped the slaughtering were transplanted in groups to create a ‘new European Jewish state in Arab land. So, the Czecks are the part of West who collaborated with the illegitimate act of West ??

Aren’t you really describing yourself??? Your comments reflect not much wisdom at all. You are full of personal insults though. Very nice.

Rebecca says:

I accept your apology, but I can’t accept it’s premise. However bleeding hearted one is they still have a right to their opinion – it’s not just for us that have been in the service.

I agree on your bilateral cease fire and recognition but it HAS to go both ways.

Rebecca says:

Why can’t you just answer my question?

Why does one get the Nazi label for making (in your opinion) false acusations?

Poupic says:

Why can’t you be human?

Rebecca says:

Again with the non-answer…

And here is another question for you: How am I not human, and what am I then?

So did my gun a 7.62 with a swastika on the loading part of the gun.

Any army in a democratic country is prohibited by law to act inside the country unless it’s an foreign enemy like it was Egypt and Syria in 1948. The Arab army (Egypt, Syria) shoots its citizens. Not IDF. FYI.

Yes we have been subdued but we survived. The empires
that conquered us disappeared. We survived and getting stronger. Jews including Israelis receiving Nobel prizes in sciences and other every year and your Arabs and Nigerians receive nothing. The only part you excel in is corruption. That is the price of anti-semitism.

Poupic, no one can ‘enlighten’ Jews. They know everything. Just listen to yourself. The same Jews that cooked up an unholy story that makes them special people. The same Jews that believed in conquering pocket nations raping their women, killing their children & enslaving the rest! Tell me how the Arabs killed infants & raped lesser nations like Israel/Judah! How can a gentile like me enlighten Jews when mendacity runs in your genes? Are you guys just dumb or plain irrational?

You really didn’t explain anything. You give no evidence to support your claim that King did not know what Zionism was.The fact that he disagreed with Rabbi’s who thought he should be more patient is really just a non-sequitur that does nothing to make your case. There was nothing serendipitous about Kings fame. He was a brilliant man who put his life on the line for what he believed. He organized and led that movement, he didn’t become it’s figurehead by luck and happenstance.

Rebecca says:

Why don’t you just explain yourself in stead of playing Bozo the Clown?

bartmartin says:

Aloxy where do you get your jive?.Do you know that Israel helps and is very well received by African countries who are fighting for their lives against Muslim terrorism.If you live in West Africa you should know the Islamic conquerers of Chrstian Africa are the real nazis.You should be thankful for what Israel is doing to help Africa,You should also know that many Arabs received the nazis with opened arms.And if you are black you should know that the nazis would have just as easily slaughterd black people in their crazed Aryan fantasies.And yes,Jesus was a Jew and they called him rabbi.And I dont think you know anything about Christian Americans.Most of them get along with Jews quite well.I´m afraid you are the unsufferable one.Blacks and Jews are natural allies.Your head got screwed up somewhere along the way.!

bartmartin says:

Jim you are the liar.There are many blacks living in Israel..Stop inventing tall stories.! Where go you study? At a hezbollah summer camp?

Natan79 says:

First you should learn English, then some history and then some genetics. And then you should send me your picture, I’ll use for practice target when I do reserve duty in the IDF. I like remembering people like you, hardcore anti-Semites who deny my right to a country and who deny Jews -and Jews alone- the right to be a people.

Natan79 says:

Stop being an anti-Semite and denying my right to have a country and a people. I don’t care who you are and what you were born, you’re most certainly a hardened and violent anti-Semite as you deny Jews and Jews alone the right to a country and to being a people. Not to French, or Palestinians, or Germans or Chinese. No no no, just JEWS bother Rebecca, the demonic scumbag.

Natan79 says:

Better than yourself, a crazed anti-Semite. Based on your comments, I would actually be worried to find favor with you.

Natan79 says:

OK, by your criteria, Belgium your country, is in fact the land of Germans and Spaniards. These are the people you served like dogs during a lot of your history. the ones you belgians liked most judging by your countrymen’s enthusiasm were not just Germans, but Nazi Germans.

Natan79 says:

Could you come up with fact just one in your life? I replied to Pierre about the numbers of Jews killed with the complicity of Belgians, are numbers so hard on your little brain, Rebecca? Can you count beyond 10? Your beloved Nazis AND Belgians killed Belgians Jews by the tens of thousands.

Natan79 says:

I wasn’t in Palestine, but in Israel. Say it more: Israel. Maybe you’ll croak of anger.

First, I went because that is where my country is and because the world is full of Jew-haters like yourself. Better to avoid them.

Second, that is also where I can best defend myself from demented anti-Semites like yourself. On this thread alone there at least three people who deeply hate Jews and deny their basic rights: you, Rebecca and Pierre. Not only that, but you and your hateful friends with little brains actually came to the site of a Jewish magazine to tell us that we don’t have rights to a country or to being a a people.

You, Jim Hyder pass your life writing articles against Jews, -JUST AGAINST JEWS- and that garbage from your two neurons is all over the internet. I know fully well what comes from people like you. The best thing I did for this was serving in the IDF. You might croak of anger Jim Hyder, but you’ll have a hard time with us Israelis, you filthy bastard. Dare the IDF, Hyder.

Natan79 says:

You never answered a single fact here, rosh katan. Who are you to give lessons? You sound like a little bitch with a hollow brain, zero education, poor grammar and zero ability to judge. All you have for yourself is the hatred for Jews, and Jews alone. Aside from that, you are nothing.

Pierre says:

I will not waste my time any longer discussing with you. You are incapable of having a normal, constructive discussion. My very basic (and as of yet still unanswered) question about the “legitimacy” of the exclusively Jewish character of Israel triggers only hateful reactions, and nothing else. Your statements such as “the belgians did this”, or “these are the people you served like dogs …. ” etc … could have been copied straight out of “Mein Kampf”. Don’t you see that you are replicating the same exact mental schemes ? Instead of treating me and my fellow countrymen as “fascists” or an “anti-semites”, look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you behave exactly like the monsters you so much (and rightfully so) despise.

Rebecca says:

Wow! I’m impressed with your kind heart. How does your god feel about that?

You just don’t get it, do you? You play the victim who allegedly gets
denied, when nothing is denied you, and simultaneous with your tears for yourself and your alleged hardship you are denying others.

Be a true Jew instead of a Zionist ignorant who is so blinded by the Goebbels-like propaganda, that it makes me wanna throw up!

Rebecca says:

You’re suggesting that I’m anti-myself… Being opposed to our criminal government isn’t anti-semitic. It’s anti-zionistic.

I praise our right to a country but I don’t approve of encrouching on others’ right to a country. Unlike you, it seems.

And you can take your slander and ridiculous theories about me to someone who actually cares to listen. Why don’t you just come up with some real arguments instead?

Rebecca says:

Well, don’t worry. I don’t care much for brainwashed Zionists.

I don’t have to condemn you, G-d will…

Rebecca says:

And if you put on your glasses and read my comment you will see that I wasn’t adressing any kind of numbers. I was adressing your nasty attitude!

You’re behaving like a hateful jerk who can’t come up with real arguments and try to hide it with throwing mud. Grow up!

Rebecca says:

So you don’t approve of your own ways? YOU can talk like that to others but it’s just not funny when it comes back to you?

OMG! Your doublestandards are all over the place. You must be blind as a bat.

Rebecca says:

Actually, YOU are the one displaying hate.

Why is our doubt of our government such a threat to you that you need to react this way? Why don’t you answer questions with ordinary words instead of shooting of your hating rant and Rambo attitude every time?

IfAndOnlyIf says:

“Arab Christians are a sad case.”

Are Arab Jews a happy case?

“Truly, the only possibility for a free Christian future in the Middle East would be a “Christian Israel…”

At what point will the Israeli Law of Return be amended in order to ease the passage of every living Christian who wishes to rightfully return to his or her historical homeland in Israel?

IfAndOnlyIf says:

“Israel ethnically cleansed no one.”

The only reason you think you believe your own nonsense is because “Israel” continuously keeps your brain thoroughly well cleansed of common sense.

IfAndOnlyIf says:

“No doubt you are an antisemite. The way you tweak historical facts tells
it all.”

No doubt you are a narrow-minded racist. The way you “tweak” the English language tells it all.

vildechaye says:

If only supporters of the Palestinians would take your great advice.

Fed_Up18 says:

Funny how you think that defending themselves from terrorists attacks (while ignoring all the times Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. have attacked Israel) make *them* aggressive. Then again, not so much “funny” as sick & stupid. At best.

Fed_Up18 says:

Yeah, ’73 was nothing, Lebanon was nothing – you are, indeed, either stupid or a bigot. Well, that’s the same thing, just the latter is more vicious. And yes, Jews can be stupid *& antisemitic* (self-hating), too – if anyone’s playing a lame, brainless card, it’s YOU.

Fed_Up18 says:

MLK was not nearly as stupid as you are trying to make him out to be. Nor as you are.

Fed_Up18 says:

Stop lying. The Arab Higher Committee told all the Arabs to “conduct their wives and children to a place of safety until the fighting is over” – but 40% of them still stayed. So you are lying on BOTH counts: Israel did not throw them out & almost half of them *are still there.*

Fed_Up18 says:

The only one who believes nonsense through brainwashing & lack of common sense is you, & you prove it by having nothing but ad hominem in the face of facts which prove you wrong.

Fed_Up18 says:

Never, because there is no need.

Fed_Up18 says:

The only ones tweaking the English language to try to change what the word ;antisemite” means are the *dumbest* of Jew-hasters, because they are either ignorant of, or lying about, the fact that a 19th century Jew-hater specifically coined the word to MEAN “hatred of Jews.” WIlhelm Marr: look him up, & then choke on it.

Fed_Up18 says:

It’s time for bigots to stop lying about not only why Israel was established, but how, & by whom.

Your grandparents were the ones yelling “Jews are swarthy, hook-nosed aliens, throw them out of Europe!” It makes you look twice as stupid to now claim Jews are “blond-haired, blue-eyed aliens, throw them out of Palestine!” – a double lie, in both terns of race & geopolitics.

Fed_Up18 says:

It’s time for bigots to stop lying about not only why Israel was established, but how, & by whom.

Your grandparents were the ones yelling “Jews are swarthy, hook-nosed aliens, throw them out of Europe!” It makes you look twice as stupid to now claim Jews are “blond-haired, blue-eyed aliens, throw them out of Palestine!” – a double lie, in both terns of race & geopolitics.

Fed_Up18 says:

Wow, you win at the sickest/dumbest comment in the thread!

Fed_Up18 says:

Wow, you win at the sickest/dumbest comment in the thread!

Fed_Up18 says:

Just how stupid are you? The fact is that the Arabs collaborated with the Nazis. Fory ou to try to put words in anyone’s mouth beyond that only shows that even you know how empty your argument is, Yes, LOTS of bigots talk about how “insufferable” it is that Jews finally refuse to lay down & die for you. Stop lying about who’s trying to conquer who: winning land *after* being *attacked* is never the same thing. I would beg you to get a clue, but I suspect thai’s impossible.

Fed_Up18 says:

Just how stupid are you? The fact is that the Arabs collaborated with the Nazis. Fory ou to try to put words in anyone’s mouth beyond that only shows that even you know how empty your argument is, Yes, LOTS of bigots talk about how “insufferable” it is that Jews finally refuse to lay down & die for you. Stop lying about who’s trying to conquer who: winning land *after* being *attacked* is never the same thing. I would beg you to get a clue, but I suspect thai’s impossible.

Fed_Up18 says:

Look up just how quick Israel is to aid in EVERY SINGLE WORLD DISASTER & then hang your head in shame, you stupid little liar.

Fed_Up18 says:

Look up just how quick Israel is to aid in EVERY SINGLE WORLD DISASTER & then hang your head in shame, you stupid little liar.

Fed_Up18 says:

Over 80% of the world also considers “Baywatch” superior to Shakespeare. All that means is that a lot of people are stupid. Thanks for proving that. (Oh, & thanks for also proving that when people spew hate as Israel, they really mean JEWS (In case you forgot, here’s what you said: when over 80% of the UN favour Palestine, then its time for Jews to take another look at their actions”))

Fed_Up18 says:

Why are you lying about Poupic? Is it because you can’t face the truth?

Fed_Up18 says:

Why are you screaming “troll” at everyone who disagrees with you? Can’t you come up with something real or is it a precondition [sic] to act like a kindergardener [sic]?

Fed_Up18 says:

Nice not-answer. Out of arguments? It must be hard not being able to back up such slander as calling people trolls. Can YOU please get out of the kindergarten and have a serious
dialogue?!

Fed_Up18 says:

Why can’t you stop asking questions that are predicated on lies?

Fed_Up18 says:

Again with the non-answer…

And here is another question for you: How is everyone who disagrees with you a troll, and why do you think you are privileged to call names but not recognize that you are doing it, or get them back in return?

Fed_Up18 says:

Whydon’t you stop being a clown?

Fed_Up18 says:

If anyone is a neurotic, it’s the sick foul-mouthed hater who projects his own bigotry, & that of those he is for some strange reason defending, onto those who are clearly *not* practicing any, & then condemns us for NOT practicing it!

Dear all,

let me write a few words from Prague. To be honest most people in the Czech Republic don’t know what this is all about. I can only present my own view. My biggest concern is the escalation of violence. We are a very pieceful nation. Our people used to be killed be the Germans, Russians, even our own people. From what we have learned I can say: in each nation there are enough people who join the side posessing power and using violence against the so called enemy. Once those people get close to the steering wheel there will be a lot of cry out of that.

From what we see there are two steps that escalate the situation now. That’s the U.N. vote and the plan to build the E1 zone east of Jerusalem. Neither of those two will calm the situation.

Even though this doesn’t sound realistic, the only way out of the hate between Palestinians and Jews is forgiveness. Well, I can imagine – how can you forgive somebody who may have murdered your wife and childern? Hardly, I know. But hear my voice from Prague, unless people make this realistic, there is also no realistic plan for peace.

That by the way would be the same Begin that gave British troop movements to Himmler during WWII by the way! KNOWING that Himmler and his SS and Gestapo were rounding up Jews and members of my own family and having them shipped of to Gas Chambers. The same Begin that even Israel as a state in 1949 declared a terrorist.

There has been much stretching of the truth, rewriting of history by Arabs and Jews, it is time to stop making references to the past, because I could sit here and type out many such historical rewrites. The one I love the most is that Palestine didnt exist, for my Israeli bretheren, Palestine is the Ancient and now Modern Greek word for Phillistine not unlike Moscow is the Anglicised Moskva. Does not the Torah speak of the Phillistines? Were they, the Phillistines not there before Abram, yes before the Patriarch was known as Abraham? Were they not there in Gaza, and it was known as Gaza when Moses left Egypt and captivity, stop this foolish comment of there is no such thing as a Palestinian patently there is and was and has been through the Millenia, and that there has been the same struggle through those millenia! It is time to put away the old and start afresh just as the Israeli President said recently, before Israel really does become a Pariah state and destroys itself.

Remember Nuremberg of 1933, the Arrogance, now remember Nuremberg of late 1945 and 1946! Please, please dont allow Israel to fall into the same trap! There is still time. Finally also remember this the Ultra right Christians of America are not interested in Israel in itself, they believe that Israel must be destroyed, before the Messiah can come again!

We should never forget how Hamas came about either, it was funded by Mossad to counter the PLO and Arafat! It was Mossad that gave the world Hamas. Remembering that Israels rising was by Terrorist organisations, and the eventual democratisation not unlike what was happening in the PLO to the Palestinian Authority.

One should remember that Israel sites military garrisons in its towns as does every other Nation in the World, The Palestinians should not shoot missiles at them for fear of collateral damage to civilians but Israel should not claim the high ground either they put the targets in civilian areas!

Rebecca says:

Actually, if you put on your glasses, you will see that I’m not. I asked IF Poupic was trolling, as he had not come up with an answer to my question. Which is still the case.

Your mirror comment is just pathetic. Make up your own sentences, please…

Rebecca says:

You’re really good at repeting. *standing ovation for your marvelous effort in dialogue*

Rebecca says:

Which lie?

Poupic wrote: “What are you, a still alive NAZI inventing stuff against Jews?” How is it predicated on a lie that I ask him about the Nazi-namecalling?

Rebecca says:

THAT is however predicated on a lie. I still did not call Poupic a troll. I asked. And it had nothing to do with disagreement, but with him not answering to why he called someone else a Nazi.

You really should learn how to read one day.

Rebecca says:

Again with the repeting. You’re gettting really good at it. Congratulations.

I am astounded that the “Arab Christian” fails to mention that the “Poor Palestinians” would rather live in Israel instead of the Arab Countries. The Arab countries never gave a damn about the “Palestinians”. That is for a good reason. When Iraq invaded Kuwait the 300,000 Palestinians living in Kuwait were supporting Sadam. Kuwait expelled the Pals who still whine that the Arab countries don’t support these fifth columnists. When the Camp David Accords were signed in 1979, Anwar Sadat didn’t want any part of Gaza and the Pals. He knew that they are unreliable and are untrustworthy. The Pals never miss a chance to bite the hand that feeds them.

MLK was a Republican for which he should be commended. He knew that the KKK was organized by the ” Peace Loving Democrats.”

If you are a West African then you should board a bus in Israel and walk on her streets. You must ask yourself why so many Africans live and work in Israel. It is simple; they can earn a living and feed their families. Not to mention receiving first class health care services something that is unavailable to them in the Third World Africa that you are so proud of.

Fed_Up18 says:

My “mirror comment” merely shows just how pathetic the original was – so, yes, I understand your reluctance to acknowledge this, & no, naturally, I am not going to “make up my own sentences” when *that’s the point*.

Rebecca says:

Then by all means continue your pointless rant.

If you decide to call anyone who even talks about the Jews an anti-Semite, then I can call you an anti-Palestinian, an anti-Arab, an anti-Christian, even an anti-goyim.
You guys throw around a word that does not even describe you, your religion does not change your race, which is predominately Eastern European, or Slavic. So if you are going to use the word ‘anti-Semite’ to describe anyone who can manage to debate with you with facts, then at least throw it around every now and then so it can still be believable.

Fed_Up18 says:

Thank you for admitting that you either cannot or will not see the point/truth.

Fed_Up18 says:

Thank you for admitting that you are a racist as well as just a bigot.

What’s the issue with Christians in Arab land? I’m a Christian Palestinian refugee still living in ‘Arab’ land and my only political enemy is Zionism, that’s what made me a refugee not the Muslims.

I am not just an Arab Christian, Im a Palestinian Christian, living in Jordan with an EU passport and I have no interest in leaving the Arab world. As for being an anti Semite, let me assure, I am more of a Semite than the majority of the Jews in Israel, look up the origin of the word before you go around falsely accusing people using an inaccurate term. Furthermore, I am not, nor have I ever been anti Judaism, but Israel is not a reflection of Judaism, its a reflection of racism and hatred.

Poupic says:

You have been taught a strange history. Zionist did not make you refugees Arab armies invading to destroy Israel did. Do yourself a favor and find Arab broadcasts from The Arab High Command exhorting the local Arabs to leave to make it easier to conquer the land so they can come back to a land empty of Jew and enjoy their properties. Arabs who stayed enjoy civil rights no Arab can dream of having in any Arab state if they are not from the ruling class. As for Christians, if you are one I have a question for you. When will you flee Arab lands to stay alive if not raped as it often happens to Christians anywhere in the Arab universe. Compare this with Christians in Israel thriving and growing in numbers compared to Christians in their traditional lands such as Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt… Most are gone never to return to the Arab paradise.

Poupic says:

Really? In what Arab land do you have rights, any rights? Let’s hear this amazing toll tale. We need some entertainment. Go ahead! Repeating the same lie you have been instructed to repeat endlessly doesn’t make it true.

it was a different kind of zionism during MLK’s days. Not the ‘Greater Israel’, “from the Med to river Jordan” (actual comment at jPost!) madness of today.

Firstly, that’s a shameless exaggeration (voter registration isn’t evidence of party affiliation in the Us) and secondly, that was BEFORE the DEMS passed the civil rights act and the GOP became the KKK’s best ally in the South!

Poupic says:

Let me guess, you never did your duty in the iDF. Right? I meant left.

Poupic says:

Zionism is the declaration that Jews need a safe haven in the land of their forefathers where they can defend themselves from people like you. Zionism is still the exact same as it was in the days of the great MLK. The Jews of France by the thousands are fleeing for their life to Israel today as I did way back when from anti- Semitic France.

Indeed, Zionism is about a safe haven for the Jewish people. But it isn’t limited to that safe heaven including all the territories of the kingdom of Israel, which existed only for a very limited time, after all. Very much to the contrary, pre-independence Zionists even had heated discussions about the serious proposal to settle in a region in Kenya (!) for some years! But you pretend “Zionism” hasn’t changed,, and has always been about Greater Israel? Now, really.

davidmh says:

You can’t hide your anti-semitism behind the genteel rules of debate as if you are at some college debating club Rebecca. Yours hate is like a pus oozing virus, you don’t fool anyone with your “fight cleanly” rhetoric.

Techedge says:

Israel has “no better friends” in Europe. Thank God I would add. Hail to the Israeli “Aggression” Forces.

Andre H.S Xie says:

I agree with your comment Moshe Blei . It’s a fact that many Nobel
prize winners are from the Jewish ancestry. Arabs get nothing in this
renowned appreciation.

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