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Despite Victory, Islamic Center Still Opposed

Cordoba Initiative faulted for poor P.R. planning

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45-47 Park Place, which Park51 is planning to occupy.(Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

The New York Times reports that the fierce opposition to Park51, the Islamic center to be built two blocks from Ground Zero, can be pinned on a “combination of arguable naïveté, public-relations missteps and a national political climate in which perhaps no preparation could have headed off controversy.” The organizers, it adds, “did little to engage with likely opponents. More strikingly, they did not seek the advice of established Muslim organizations experienced in volatile post-9/11 passions and politics.”

Given the context, the pitch of opposition is a bit bizarre. The imam behind the Initiative first tried to buy a space for his mosque on 23rd Street in 1999; he had been preaching sermons of “sweet spirituality” at a Sufi mosque 12 blocks north of Ground Zero until last year; he graduated from Columbia (go Lions!); he broached his plans at a Ramadan break-fast at Gracie Mansion last year.

Yet the controversy does not just come from political movements who find their strongest bases outside the five boroughs. A new Marist poll of registered New York City voters found that 34 percent approve of the building while the majority—53 percent—oppose it (the remainder are “unsure”). In fact, only 38 percent of Democrats support it, and only 49 percent of liberals do: Love them, love them, love them, they are liberals.

The other numbers you want? Out of the pool of registered New York City voters, only 20 percent of Jews approve of the center, while 71 percent oppose it.

Still, check the scoreboard. Park51 has the support of the city’s mayor, the borough’s president, and the local community board. Assuming it raises the funds it needs (which is something of an if), the center will be built.

For Mosque Sponsors, Early Missteps Fueled Storm [NYT]
Earlier: How To Build a $100 Million Islamic Center

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David Frum has some interesting speculations on the project: http://www.frumforum.com/is-the-911-mosque-a-publicity-stunt

paul jeser says:

The Iman behind this atrocity said that the US is partly to blame for 9/11; refuses to condem Hamas or call it a terrorist organization; and supported the Gaza Flotilla.

Those who support this guy and his project are drinking too much kool aid. The citizens of NY are alot smarter.

BH in Iowa says:

FFS they even wanted to name it “CORDOBA House”

Governor Paterson’s ploy is brilliant. He has offered them state land elsewhere in New York City to build the mosque somewhere other than at Ground Zero. If it is not a victory monument it won’t matter to them where they build it. If they refuse, then that is an admission it is intended as a victory monument.

Whereupon the state government can intervene and Bloomberg and his merry band of useful idiots will be forced to back down.

TheDevilCanDance says:

Bigotry is still bigotry even when you try to pose as victims….

It is remarkable how easily the Muslims convinced liberals that the issue was whether they could build a mosque or not. Which made it a question of religious freedom.

As opposed to the actual question – whether they could build a mosque at Ground Zero, which is a question of whether they can build a Muslim victory monument at Ground Zero.

Which is very much NOT a question of religious freedom.

The liberals were not fooled because they are stupid. They aren’t. They were fooled because they wanted to be fooled.
Why is that?

NB Reilly says:

Really, JK? Not about religious freedom? Really?!

OK, so let’s say a governor of some state (any one!) asked a Jewish synagogue to move to a less “controversial” location (for whatever reason!). How do you figure the mainstream Jewish population (not to mention the ADL) would likely respond to such a request? I mean, seriously, just consider it for like 2 seconds.

No, not seeing it? Fine, then allow me to imagine some sample dialogue for you:

Governor: Hey, gentle, law-abiding, perfectly-within-your-rights Jews, you know, given the totally hysterical reaction your mere existence provokes here, we’d really prefer it if you’d move somewhere outside of this arbitrarily defined zone of unwarranted resentment and bitterness. We’ll even pay for it (not that that’s at all constitutional, but hey, when has that ever mattered)!

Rabbi: But, governor, we’ve already tried to secure a location elsewhere, and it didn’t work out. Why are you singling us out? We had nothing to do with what happened back there!

Governor: Yeah, yeah, I know, but hey, look, it really would be better—come on, let’s admit it, better for me—if you just moved a little farther away. Nothing personal, of course, it’s just that everything about you disgusts the fair people of this city. Oh yeah, and they maybe think you’re pissing on their rubble and want to kill them. You understand, right?

Rabbi: Um, no, not really. Remind me again what we have to do with the terrorists? And won’t we just be proving the bigots and fear-mongers and politicians right by moving, in spite of our genuine appeals to religious tolerance and this little thing I call the Constitution, and the minor fact of standing up for what’s right just because it’s right.

No? Then forget it. We have every right to be here. Someday we’ll be just a neutral dot on the horizon, while your cynicism will stand as an embarrassing testament to the barbary of a bygone era.

So, yeah, you’re right, I guess I would call that a victory monument.

TheDevilCanDance says:

The practice by some ultra-Orthodox Jews of spitting at priests, nuns and other Christian clergy has been denounced in a statement by the Israeli Embassy to the Holy See.

The Jerusalem Post recently quoted Rabbi David Rosen, a veteran of Catholic-Jewish dialogue, who said such incidents of spitting are “a part of life” in Jerusalem and have been occurring for the last 20 years. However, they appear to be limited to Jerusalem, according to the National Catholic Reporter.

http://www.cathnewsusa.com/article.aspx?aeid=18609

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I really don’t agree with this particular article. Even so, I did looked with Bing and I’ve found out that you’re correct and I seemed to be thinking in the wrong way. Carry on writing high quality material such as this.

Wow! It’s awesome blog post here…. really very interesting for reading…..

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