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Fibi Netanyahu

In 2001, PM boasted of manipulating Oslo accords

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Netanyahu in 2001.(Channel 10)

Meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu last week, President Obama could not have been more effusive. “I believe Prime Minister Netanyahu wants peace,” Obama said. “I believe he is ready to take risks for peace.”

A newly revealed tape of Netanyahu in 2001, being interviewed while he thinks the cameras are off, shows him in a radically different light. In it, Netanyahu dismisses American foreign policy as easy to maneuver, boasts of having derailed the Oslo accords with political trickery, and suggests that the only way to deal with the Palestinians is to “beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it’s unbearable” (all translations are mine).

According to Haaretz‘s Gideon Levy, the video should be “Banned for viewing by children so as not to corrupt them, and distributed around the country and the world so that everyone will know who leads the government of Israel.”

Netanyahu is speaking to a small group of terror victims in the West Bank settlement of Ofra two years after stepping down as prime minister in 1999. He appears laid-back. After claiming that the only way to deal with the Palestinian Authority was a large-scale attack, Netanyahu was asked by one of the participants whether or not the United States would let such an attack come to fruition.

“I know what America is,” Netanyahu replied. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.” He then called former president Bill Clinton “radically pro-Palestinian,” and went on to belittle the Oslo peace accords as vulnerable to manipulation. Since the accords state that Israel would be allowed to hang on to pre-defined military zones in the West Bank, Netanyahu told his hosts that he could torpedo the accords by defining vast swaths of land as just that.

“They asked me before the election if I’d honor [the Oslo accords],” Netanyahu said. “I said I would, but … I’m going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the ’67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I’m concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue.”

Smiling, Netanyahu then recalled how he forced former U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher to agree to let Israel alone determine which parts of the West Bank were to be defined as military zones. “They didn’t want to give me that letter,” Netanyahu said, “so I didn’t give them the Hebron agreement [the agreement giving Hebron back to the Palestinians]. I cut the cabinet meeting short and said, ‘I’m not signing.’ Only when the letter came, during that meeting, to me and to Arafat, did I ratify the Hebron agreement. Why is this important? Because from that moment on, I de facto put an end to the Oslo accords.”

President Obama, and anyone else concerned about Israel’s commitment to the peace process, may watch the tape online here.

Related: Tricky Bibi [Haaretz]

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MaxS says:

Unfortunately, I think that he is right. The only reason that Egypt and Jordan signed peace agreements is because they were beaten so badly in past wars that they had no choice.

Adam says:

I mean, sure a skeptical eye should be turned to Bibi…but isn’t it possible that he has changed his perspective in the last 9 years?

Graycard says:

Adam: Does it look like that’s happened?

Judith says:

It’s necessary that we Israel Zionists support and strengthen our PM, so that he can withstand Obama’s pressure and act in Israel’s best interests; preserving our moral, historical, and just values to survive and prosper as the modern Jewish state.

Elisabeth says:

There was a window of opportunity for a peace agreement, but it has passed: The settlements are too large and heavily populated now to ever get the settlers out. Netanyahu and the settler movement will go down in history as the people who destroyed the Jewish state.

Tend to agree with Elisabeth at this point in time, although always ready for miracles (albeit plagues seem currently more deserved). To Judith: Sounds as if you want blindly to bolster an immoral & totally unjust Netanyahu. If he were suddenly to stop lying cynically, instead of bolstering so much of the corruption that is today’s Israeli system (not least the systematic undermining of democracy and human rights), I might be prepared to agree with the spirit of your note. As it is, I am amazed at your naivete that you think someone like Bibi has Israel’s best interests at heart. If he had, he would be honest, moral and ethical – a man to be trusted, and a man who would genuinely inspire peacemaking.

We Israelis must decide (if it’s not too late) whether we want to continue sliding into fascism, apartheid and ongoing oppression of another people, or whether we want to free ourselves (and them). At present, we are nowhere near any decision making. It’s tragic.

Dr Marcos says:

Absolutely disgraceful. But absolutely not surprising wouldn’t be shocked if this became a major story.

Ben Franklin says:

The American citizens need to tell their government that Americans are quite sick and tired of Israel and their policies. WE no longer want to be controlled by the Zionists in Israel and America.

The Ghost says:

Genetic testing supports Palestinian claims. You’re murdering your cousins.

Archeology supports Samaritan claims. Your books were corrupted in Babylon. Even your alphabet changed in Babylon.

Jasmine Murphy says:

I would be shocked at Bibi if I weren’t aware that the Palestinians are just as cynical, and much more aware of how to manipulate events. Go to Fenton Communications the PR co. and ask how many projects they have undertaken to blacken Israel, how many deliberate lies they have spread. How many other PR firms earn oil millions on political propaganda against Israel. Why did the world suddenly see Israel as the villain? A victory for good old American PR.

Politics is a dirty game.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

I’m not sure I understand why American Jews seem to think Israel’s leaders must conform to American Jewish approval, when the only opinion which should count is that of the Israeli electorate.

Israeli are fully aware that Bibi is slippery while Tzippi is squeaky-clean. Bt for the moment Israel has chosen Bibi’s policies over Tzippi’s. That’s their right.

Why is it “imperialist” for Americans to interfere in foreigners’ internal politics — except for Israel’s?

pro israel says:

…some stereotypes are just right, nothing more to add.

Realist says:

“Why should Israel Listen to America” Oh I dunno maybe because you take billions of dollars in aid from us.

Shame on the US for not demanding Israel do what we want with all the money we send. Honestly I am ok with Israel doing whatever it wants to, what I am not ok with is my tax dollars going to support a state that insists on picking fights with all of its neighbors and treats 1/3 of its population as second class.

Stop Israel Aid Now. If Israel is the tough, strong backed by God state that it claims, then it doesn’t need our technology, weapons, or money. It can stand on its own.

it should be obvious at this point that a two state solution has been made impossible. all the palestenians will eventually be made equal citizens of a new country. Israel-Palestine the jewish majority will dissapear. so it goes.

occuppying land from 1967 onward was huge mistake. it destroyed Israel

Norman says:

Dear Hasbara trolls (pro israel, Stop Arab Imperialism, Judith). Your beloved facts on the ground reveal Israel to be a murderous, racist, apartheid state. As Elisabeth said, the moral rot starts in the centre and spreads out until the whole edifice collapses. Remember the Liberty!

jose says:

israel is a terrorist state as well, now, prove me wrong !

Uncle Adolf says:

Juden Raus!

Hunter Watson says:

The conclusion to be drawn is that we Americans can only help Israel by looking first to our own national interests.

annie says:

it’s curious how judith wants to ‘preserving our moral values’ by strengthening a PM who’s again proven to be a disingenuous fraud. do i rethink judith, jewish morals are better than that.

anonymous says:

And norman , as usual doesn’t have anything to back up his harsh words.

before you blame israel as the worst abomination on earth look at statments arab make daily.?

israel is cornered , palestinians aren’t. evident in everything. if they suffered so much of the situation they would agree to have all PA annexed to jordan and than some.
but they want to ride both horses.

Michael Martin says:

It will be one fine day when we in the U.S. refuse our tax dollars to go to this shallow murderous religon.

I really hope that most Israeli’s realize that they are losing or have last the support of many of their old liberal/left wing political allies in the American left. Myself included.

Although they may have gained the support of far right Christian Americans there is a catch.

American liberals supported Israel and the hopes for a separate Palestinian state.

American rightwingers support Israel so that the Apocalypse will come and everyone who isn’t a Christian will convert or die.

President Netanyahu is facilitating a catastrophe that the religious fanatics of all stripes have been pining for.

One side supports the continued right for all to exist and the other side supports a a massive bloodletting that ends in Christian supremacy.

Heckuva job Bibi.

Realist says:

As I said… if Israel wants to give the middle finger to the UN, and the US… then maybe both should stop backing them up, and the US should stop sending them any sort of aid at all. What is the American saying “You made your bed, now lie in it.”

Byron says:

Avi said, “all the palestenians will eventually be made equal citizens of a new country. Israel-Palestine the jewish majority will dissapear”

Guess you don’t much care for that thought hmmm? Equality. You’d rather it be more along the lines of a dominance/subservience relationship.

And that “Jewish majority” only became that way by running off and killing off the Palestinian majority. Those who had been there the last 2,000 + years while you were out traveling the world becoming business experts, and learning to play the violin in your ‘we’re just poor victims, give us sympathy’ way.

I believe that if you had approached the middle east in a much more humble way post-WWII you’d have set up a nation peacefully and peacefully be co-existing with your neighbors. But no, you wanted it all.

Mountainjew says:

While I find Netanyahu’s comments despicable, I find the trolls here even more so. I’m reminded of an apocryphal comment made about Huey Long, “We know he’s a crook, but at least he’s our crook.”

Clearly the only way compromise will be achieved is for some horror to occur that will make concession and compromise acceptable to both sides.

somebody says:

what does one expect from a Zionist, here it is, if people do not fight the Zionist, then the Zionist will take over, Complete.

they are zionist traitors in the US, Canada, Israel, and Europe, most are in govermnet, the Goy will be murdered by the zionist, the Goy are nothing but beasts, to do whatever the zionist wants.

if people can not see this, then heaven help us all

NoOneYouKnow says:

Israel is losing the American people. Israel is failing as a democracy and as an international citizen. Are these things parts of Bibi’s plan? Is this what Israel wants?

Jackie says:

Placing Israel puppets in the US Government has helped. Bush bowed to Israel and McCain gave the USA away. Obama has stopped the free loading and knows the lies being told by Natanyahu. Natanyahu should be careful as Hillary isn’t Bill and Obama works for the interest of American citizens, not Israel. People like Pelosi/Feinstein have been brought and paid for but you can’t get pass Obama. Israel has shown to be the real axis of evil and made history with the Holocaust on Palestine. Natanyahu has made in Hitler proud as Israel is following in his footsteps. The World sees Israel for who they really are and God will take care of the punishment.

bubblefish says:

*“beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it’s unbearable”* How’s that been working out for ya Israel?

Chrysler says:

I find it hard to support a supposed U.S. ally with supposed shared values, who would sell their ally’s secrets and foreign agents in exchange for a immigration. Then, insult to injury, Bibi, constantly crusade’s for the release of the agent. Pollard, that caused the death of many of these compromised agents. With friends like this….

DE Teodoru says:

Rabin, who died for peace, responded to the first NON-VIOLENT Palestinian Intifada by ordering Stalin’s notorious phrase: “BREAK THEIR BONES.” People change. Israelis were infected by the Ashkenazi founders with a Holocaust Psychosis: Jew trying to fit into goy world is “parasite Jew”; only Jews who slaughter their way to Greater Israel are “New Jews.” So obsessed with the Holocaust are Israelis that they believe they must HOLOCAUST the Arabs before the Arabs HOLOCAUST the Jews, allowing Israelis to feel safe only when walking backward the History of what the Nazis did to them by doing it to the Palestinians. Anything more humane is seen as “suicidal softness” that will end in Holocaust. It all started out as a gimmick to pull in cash from the Diaspora. But Netanyahu has seen the futility of all this and realized that, as part of a common economy, at living standard of Israelis, Palestinians will be more collaborative in political settlement, wanting to achieve for themselves what Israelis did. Helping in that will make negotiations obstructions melt away and, based on two-states, one-economy, the Israeli role in Palestinians economic development will become a template for Israel’s sci/tech role in overall Arab modernization. Then, the graduates of Israel’s excellent universities won’t have to move abroad for god jobs but can stay in the Mideast close to Israel so they can come home on weekends. So Bibbi’s ECONOMICS FIRST approach can have no other goal than Israel becoming a positive force in the Arab World instead of just a feared IRON WALL of exterminators. He saw how Kadima committed suicide by trying to exterminate Palestinians. His goal is to focus US-Israeli partnership on common peace goal. He needs Obama’s help to overcome nuts in his cabinet.

Taz Delaney says:

this video should be on all news media worldwide.all earth governments are pretty much evil, criminal organizations – armed to the teeth; developing WMDs; scheming ways to exploit their people and environment; conspiring wars for power and profit. our rulers are largely demonic degenerates who could care less about butchered babies.

in the entire 20th century, according to the US census bureau which has the daunting task of tallying casualties, just 5,768 human beings died in a strictly-defined ‘terrorist event.’ but in that century, 162 million people died in the wars between ‘legitimate governments.’ of those deaths, 2/3 were civilian and half of these were children… showing that our species is declining into utter barbarism beyond anything known in history.

and 3/4 of the wars of the past century were by or between jewish, christian or moslem countries . the evidence of history is that these religions are abject failures, or worse, evil to their cores.

israel after 2500 years of being the oppressed; after WWII, when the horrors of the apocalypse became known, almost immediately turns into an oppressor; showing that oppression is infectious. that was a period when the jewish people had the most sympathy and best public relations in their long history as a people. the state of israel has utterly destroyed that and the reputation of the jewish people is at an all-time low, globally.

i have a wife born jewish. she doesn’t practice the religion any more than i go to church. she is enraged at israel as are most of our jewish friends. there is also fear. fear that the evil axis of US-israel will lead us to armageddon. fear that the actions of israel are making it unsafe for jewish persons to travel about the world.

all nations of earth must be disarmed and demilitarized and their governments overthrown if we are to survive as a species and ecosystem. and time is short.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

Realist

“Oh I dunno maybe because you take billions of dollars in aid from us.”

False. The $3b military aid Isael receives must be spent in the uSA; it is a subsidy to US arms manufacturers, not to Israel. Absent the programme, Israel would simply purchase its arms elsewhere. The amount represents less than 2% of an Israeli GDP which grows 4% annually.

Finally, subsidy does not mean ownership. The USA doesnt own Israel and should butt out of Israeli matters. Or are Jews still untermenschen in your eyes, with only the right to do what US and European ubermenschen permit?

Oh, and your attitude means you should suport Bibi, who engineered the reduction of US aid when he was Finance Minister.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

Tablet should be asking itself why it attracts so many outright anti-Semites like Uncle Adolf, rykart, Norman, Realist, Chrysler.

Jamie Glazov could tell you why.

Sam The ShamWow says:

As Stephen Colbert says, “if you want to make an omelet, you’re going to have to kill somebody with an omelet.”

Wink, wink.

CommieBigGovernment says:

Tick tock tick tock how long until Iran has the bomb.

Agnes K says:

Obama is a puppet, I’m sure he knows in his heart that the current Israeli administration doesn’t want peace. Deep down, he is pro-justice and would be considered pro-Palestinian.. just look at his base, the people who elected him do not approve of his unwavering loyalty to warmongering scumbags like Netanyahu.

Neil says:

Netanyahu is a fool to think he can use military force to obtain security as long as Israel occupies Palestinian land on the west bank.

He is an extremist just as those who fire rockets into Israel are extremists.

the GhostPony says:

Gaza is the new Warsaw and Israel has become an monster that is all too familiar.

disgusted says:

Bibi is a troublemaker…you people if Israel I thought were smarter than this to again elect someone who lies. Politicians are the same there too in Israel. Elected not for change, but for things to stay the same.

Jackie says:

No one likes to hear the truth and I’m sure Natanyahu wishes this video were destroyed. It’s better for Israel to be seen as a victim and true honest ally of the USA. I’m sure Natanyahu can talk his way out this this and get back to doing business as usual with the USA and just keeping playing the US Presidents for suckers. I passed this article on to the White House website and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s website for review and to let both know what Natanyahu really thinks of the US and even former President Clinton. Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me. Let’s hope Obama and Hillary know their being played by Natanyahu.

an0id says:

Kniving jews or the insanity of islam? f&%^ it, let them nuke each other. i say we arm both sides to the teeth and wait for the fire works. Jews have screwed around everyone they have ever lived beside since the beginning of time and the muslims are insane enough to justify pulling the trigger. I dont think either of them will be missed and I think we’re all pretty sick of the manipulations, the threats and we’re just fed up sick of hearing about it.

Pino says:

While Netanyahu’s statements are shocking and reprehensible, what is more disconcerting is that none of this will make the mainstream news here in the States. This refusal to accurately and fully portray the entirety of the Israeli/Palestinian story does a disservice to Americans and supporters of Israel alike.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

“Obama is a puppet, … the people who elected him do not approve of his unwavering loyalty to warmongering scumbags like Netanyahu.”

A puppet of whom? you mean, of the Jews?

“Jews have screwed around everyone they have ever lived beside since the beginning of time”

Tablet’s blog is a disgusting cesspool of anti-Semitism. Tablet should do something about it.

Hawkeye says:

“We have met the enemy and he is us”

DE Teodoru says:

As I read the crazy Zionist pseudo-historic dribble in the commentaries above, I am reminded of my mindless classmates in the Communist world. It is such garbage that stands as a hasbara screen behind which Israelis sought to exterminate Palestinians because they can’t share GREATER ISRAEL standing on eachother’s head. The inanities muttered by the Zio-maniacs and their efforts at controlling Western media (per Heim Saban) to muzzle criticism will only feed another Krystalnacht. So if you can’t be truthful, at least be quiet for the sake of Diaspora Jews….That is unless, like Sharon, you think that all Jews that don’t move to Israel by 2020 will lose their Jewish souls and should be exterminated as scapegoats for the neocons’ failed “WORLD WAR IV” against Islam.

DE Teodoru says:

REading crazy Zionist pseudo-historic dribble in the commentaries above, Iim reminded of my mindless classmates in the Communist world. It is such garbage that stands as a hasbara screen behind which Israelis sought to exterminate Palestinians because they can’t share GREATER ISRAEL standing on eachother’s head. The inanities muttered by the Zio-maniacs and their efforts at controlling Western media (per Heim Saban) to muzzle criticism will only feed another Krystalnacht. So if you can’t be truthful, at least be quiet for the sake of Diaspora Jews….That is unless, like Sharon, you think that all Jews that don’t move to Israel by 2020 will lose their Jewish souls and should be exterminated as scapegoats for the neocons’ failed “WORLD WAR IV” against Islam.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

StopIslamicImperialism said: “Tablet’s blog is a disgusting cesspool of anti-Semitism. Tablet should do something about it.”

Teodoru responded with a blod libel: “crazy Zionist … Communist … hasbara … Israelis sought to exterminate Palestinians … GREATER ISRAEL … Zio-maniacs … controlling Western media … muzzle criticism … Krystalnacht.”

Q.E.D.

Robert Edward Johnson says:

Bibi: “I know what America is,” Netanyahu replied. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.”

In all seriousness, this sort of thing sounds tailor-made for use by both the most radical left elements of the left and the radical white nationalist elements of the right. It’s almost like Leona Helmsley saying “taxes are for the little people” and expecting NOT to have the IRS come down on her.

Josh H says:

A two state solution is a must. Did not the Zionists terrorize the Brits in Palestine, before the modern day Israel came into existence in 1948. Being a Jew, I believe the Palestinians are fighting for a home land for themselves too. Yitzak Rabin gave his life for peace and he paid dearly with his life. Unfortunately, reading all accounts, Yitzak Rabin’s assassin was incited by Israel’s political right. Bibi’s hands are not clean. GOD is watching.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

Josh

“Being a Jew, I believe the Palestinians are fighting for a home land for themselves too.”

Being ignorant, you ignore the facts that
- the Palestinians already have two states, Jordan and Gaza
- they don’t need yet a third homeland, especially one which overlooks and will bombard the Isaeli heartland
- according to recent polls, they are fighting not for a homeland but to eliminate Israel.

Gaza is a state? Jordan is a Palestinian state?
Ugly, but good to know what kind of radicals we are dealing with in Israel and their American supporters.

rykart says:

Really, what’s all the fuss about Netanyahu, or for that matter, his right hand ghoul Avigdor Leiberman? They are no different at all from Barak and Tzipi Livni or Menachem Begin, or Golda Meir, or David Ben Gurion or any of other Nazi clowns who have run the septic tank known as Israel. Their vicious policies toward the Palestinians have been all but identical. The great “dove” Ithzak Rabin presided over the largest ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Israeli history–the expulsions from Lydah and Remleh.

It’s simply a myth that any of these hoodlums was ever a voice of sanity and moderation. The Israeli leadership was forged out of terrorist gangs and has remained a criminal enterprise, of which the current Prime Minister is in no way an aberration.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

“Gaza is a state? Jordan is a Palestinian state?”

They both have governments (though the Gazan is far more murderous than the Jordanian). They both have a majority Palestinian population.

The Israelis are too kind; as Benny Morris suggests, they really should have expelled the west bank popuation to Jordan.

But that won’t happen – the Israeli public supports a Palestinian state in the west bank once the Palestinians resign themselves to accepting Israel.

mick says:

Stop Arab Imperalism you sick prick

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

Mick, Benny Morris is right for several reasons:

1. The properties looted from Sephardim in the “Jewish naqba” are 3 times the current size of Israel. Sephardi-Mizrahi Jews deserve compensation from the Arab world, if need be in the form of the west bank.

2. A Palestinian presence in the west bank will always be a threat to Israel’s survival, given the geographical and topographical realities.

3. Population exchanges with land transfer have, in the past, been the only way to peace between intertwined, hostile populations. Examples are the Greco-Turkish exchange and the Partition of India.

4. Such an exchange of population bettween Israel and the Arab countries, with full compensation of all parties, may be the only way to peace in the Mideast.

5. The Quartet plus the Arab oil countries certainly have sufficient funds for such compensation of both Palestinians and Sephardim.

6. Given the endemic corruption in the PA and the genocidal brutality of Hamas, the only viable Palestinian leadership is that represented by a half-Palestinian Jordanian heir and a largely Palestinian legislature. In other words, the Jordanian option is likely more viable than the two-state option.

By the way, I ust compliment you on your scintilating knowledge and arguments.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

Benny Morris’ position:

“Morris has criticized Ben-Gurion for not carrying out such a plan [of complete Palestinian expulsion], saying “In the end, he faltered… If he had carried out a full expulsion – rather than a partial one – he would have stabilized the State of Israel for generations.”"

frank says:

zionists are not jews

Joey Tavares says:

My father is Sephardim, the kind that cuckooed themselves on the Açores to escape Isabella.

Following S.A.I.’s logic, that the Sephardim-Mizrahi are owed land three times the current size of Israel:

I submit that the lands of North America should be turned over to the First Nations, Aboriginals, Métis, and North American Indians. Immediately.

C’est la bonne chose à faire, non?

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

First, the logic is Benny Morris’s, not mine.

Second, what is proposed is a population exchange. You seem to have trouble understanding the word exchange.

Sephardim were deprived of their citizenship and assets in Muslim countries and have received citizenship and assets in Jewish Palestine instead.

Arab Palestinians will be reqired to turn over their Palestinians assets to Jews and receive as compensation assets (property or cash) in Jordan instead.

Jordan might want to claim those costs from the other Arab states which benefited from confiscated Sephardi-Mizrai assets.

Where are North American Europeans to receive land in your exchnge scheme?

And of what relevance is your father?

Stop Arab Imperalism says:
Stop Arab Imperalism says:

Tavares

«La bonne chose à faire» c’est une bêtise. Le peuple juif devrait plutôt penser à sa survie.

Tavares and Mick

You can rest easy; Morris and myself may favour completing the population exchange, but the majority of the Israeli electorate does not. It favours a Palestinian state, once the Palestinians resign themselves to living in peace with Israel.

Bill Clinton says:

The solution is very simple: Stop using US taxpayers money to subsidize Israel.

hasbara your way out of this

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

“Stop using US taxpayers money to subsidize Israel.”

Stop displaying your ignorance. Israel receives no economic aid, and its $3b of military aid (representing less than 2% of Israel’s GDP) must be spent in the USA subsiding US arms manufacturers.

Stopping that aid wouldn’t harm Israel in the least, and would in fact free Israel to buy its arms elsewhere.

Now, about the billions the USA wastes upon its enemies the Palestinians and Arabs …..

note the neo nazi arab supporters who comment here and tell me that Bibi is wrong to refuse to compromise on keeping the state of Israel and the Jewish people safe from these monsters.

read the comments here. its very telling.

allow me to add that there are only 13 million jews left on earth thanks to the Islam the religion of peace and the ‘love’ of our Christian friends. There are a billion each muslims and christians.

We are at the knife edge of extinction, Bibi has my support.

Stop Arab Imperalism says:

“note the neo nazi arab supporters who comment here”

You are right, callie. The only mystery is why a Jewish publication would be so irresponsible as to give a platform to neo-Nazis and anti-Semites.

Andy says:

i say let israel have the west bank and gaza and it’s arab-free jewish state. then declare a jew-free america and give their homes and assets to the displaced palestinians.

Jamie says:

NAI / Callie – talking of neo-Nazis, look in the mirror and tell us what you see.

Robert Cook says:

The U.S. Military Aid has been incresed to a record $$$.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=135072&sectionid=351020202
Israel to get Mega Military handout- 18 Jul 2010, The U.S. will give Israel its most extensive military aid package in history. Assistant Secretary of State, Andrew J. Shapiro says the increased US military assistance will help Tel Aviv reach tough decisions in peace talks with the Palestinians. Shapiro said, “since Israel is facing some of the toughest challenges in its history, US President Barack Obama has asked Congress for $2.775 billion in security assistance funding ‘specifically for Israel’ in 2010″.
— Is this DOUBLESPEAK … contradicting themselves, they want to give Israel the extensive military aid package to help them reach tough decisions in PEACE talk?
However, it’s not surprising to me because last week when Netanyahu visited DC, Pres Obama said Israel is his “right hand, in the Middle-East”. So now by sending great military dollars to Israel, Obama is strengthening his “right hand”. Sounds like someone is gearing up for War, not Peace though.

William says:

Zionist are not jews.
Zionists are just filthy selfish bastards who want to take over Palestinian land in the name of poor abducted judaism.

El Cid says:

The American colonists already have a nation — Britain. If that’s not enough they should leave to Canada.

AreaMan says:

Well, okay. You can stop the aid to Israel, but you must also:

1. Stop the aid to Egypt, too.
2. Stop subsidizing the Muslim world with trillions of dollars of unearned oil money. They didn’t do anything to earn it. They didn’t even know the oil was there.

Israel wouldn’t need a big defense budget if the Muslim states didn’t have weapons systems brought in from outside. The western industrialized powers are funding both sides in this war.

Carleton Wu says:

Population exchanges with land transfer have, in the past, been the only way to peace between intertwined, hostile populations

Northern Ireland springs to mind as a counterexample. I suppose you could argue that situations where people learn to live with each other weren’t as bad as the ones where they separated themselves, but that’s backwards logic.

Carleton Wu says:

allow me to add that there are only 13 million jews left on earth thanks to the Islam the religion of peace and the ‘love’ of our Christian friends. There are a billion each muslims and christians.
We are at the knife edge of extinction, Bibi has my support.

Yeah, that’s great if you’re an Israeli (altho you make the common mistake of lumping “Jewish”, “Israeli”, and “Zionist”, three separate categories of people). Not exactly an argument for eg the US to defend Israel’s right to annexation, xenophobia, and apartheid.
That is, you may think that some extreme position such as this protects Israel- in fact, it weakens it terribly. It erodes the relationship between Israel and its friends and provides endless bad press for Israel around the world. And it provides no real security, only the fervent hopes that someday some radical Palestinians will commit a large-scale terrorist attack- and then the Israeli Right can do what they have wanted for decades: kill or drive off the Palestinian people from their land…
Thou shalt not covet. That is one side of the equation keeping the conflict alive (the other being the lack of acceptance of the fait accompli that is the Israeli state among the Palestinians).

The properties looted from Sephardim in the “Jewish naqba” are 3 times the current size of Israel. Sephardi-Mizrahi Jews deserve compensation from the Arab world, if need be in the form of the west bank.

So if one person steals something from you, you are entitled to steal a similar amount from a bystander and then tell them if they don’t like it to seek compensation from the original thief?
This sort of moral vacuousness only comes from the desire of certain religious groups in Israel to maintain possession of what they perceive to be land given to them by Jehovah. There is no other rationale for thinking that this is a rational or moral solution.

Gary Williams says:

Speaking of M. Begin, and considering the very serious charge of his having fascist inclinations, (which is a charge made in a letter to the New York Times (Saturday December 4, 1948 by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, and 26 other leading Jewish intellectuals) I wondered how such an accusation could have all but disappeared from the public eye in a manner so complete that the man was later elected an Israel PM. That such an astounding charge, one penned by the world’s most famous intellectual, had also been hidden away on page 12 of the “Books” section in the NYT, suggested to me a possible reason for it……an effort by influential right-wingers — especially Jewish ones — to cover up their now-embarrassing (albeit pre-Holocaust) far-right activities.

Looking further, among the very first things I found was what appears to be a mass of conflicting dates about where and what Begin was doing during the period immediately prior to his showing up in Palestine. On one hand he was supposedly sitting in a soviet gulag up to his release in May ’42, while other dates have him joining the Polish Army in late May or early June ’41, after his release under an agreement that wasn’t made for another 2 months! (the Sikorsky-Mayerski Agreement, signed July 30, 1941).
Which leaves us to wonder at the likelihood of Stalin releasing a Jewish-Polish “agent of British imperialism” even earlier than the agreement having even been reached! What? Out of the goodness of his heart?

Not likely…..as were a great many other details I’d previously been led to believe as a typical consumer of what I now know to have been a revised chronology of events meant to gain sympathy for extreme right-wing elements in Israel, and were enabled by persons with similar motives back here in N. America.

rykart says:

gary, if you’re interested in the topic of Einstein’s growing disgust with Israel’s steady tilt toward Nazism and fascism, you should have a look at the recently released book “Einstein and Zionism.” A lot of Einstein letters and other documents appearing for the first time in English.

Suffice it to say, the legend of Einstein’s unbreakable fealty to the Jewish state is on a par with the lie that Einstein was deeply religious. He rejected God, regarded the Jewish religion as “childish” and today would almost certainly be entirely in the pro-Palestinian camp, as so many other Jews of character are.

digbydolben says:

What Netanyahu and his fascist Likudniks are slowly but surely conjuring into existence is an abandonment by politically sophisticated Palestinians of any campaign for an “independent state.” Correctly, they increasingly despair of it, because the creation of so many “settlements” has rendered almost logistically impossible the exchanges of territories and populations described above. What Netanyahu and his ilk may very soon have to confront is a massive campaign of non-violent resistance to the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Jerusalem and the West Bank–as well as demands for full, equal citizenship rights in a secular, pluralist “Palestinian Israel” or “Israeli Palestine.” This will, on account of the “ticking time bomb” of Arab demographics, toll the knell of doom for the so-called “Jewish State,” which is, in terms of “politically-correct” democratic ideology in the modern West, about as retrograde an idea as a “Catholic State” or a “Caucasian State” or a “Protestant State.” If Netanyahu and his supporters in Israel think they are isolated now, how will they feel when, and if the Palestinian Gandhi or Martin Luther King is leading non-violent resistance to expulsions and travel-restrictions, and is being cheered on by the free press of the rest of the world? That day is coming, and, with it, the end of the “Jewish State,” and it will be this rejectionist stance of the Israeli right-wing, as well as their refusal to use the good offices of their American ally to create an autonomous Palestine, that will have hastened it along.

digbydolben says:

And here is the evidence for what I’m claiming:

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/07/201071913463759520.html

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David G. says:

So after reading his comments the first question that comes to my mind…..so does this mean that Fibi Netanyahu is a man of trickery and deceit, or one of integrity who says what he means and means what he says? Or doesn’t it matter in relationships with the Goy? Or is it an example of there being more truth than fiction to stereotypes?

David G. says:

“Carleton Wu says:
Jul 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM And it provides no real security, only the fervent hopes that someday some radical Palestinians will commit a large-scale terrorist attack- and then the Israeli Right can do what they have wanted for decades: kill or drive off the Palestinian people from their land…”

Actually what an event such as that in Israel would likely mean is a repeat of 9-11 in the USA, and that “The Powers That Be” would plan and willingly kill innocent people as a set up and rationale to kill many others all under false pretenses (false flag).

Avner Stein says:

“What Netanyahu and his fascist Likudniks are slowly but surely conjuring into existence is an abandonment by politically sophisticated Palestinians of any campaign for an “independent state.” Correctly, they increasingly despair of it, because the creation of so many “settlements” has rendered almost logistically.”

I see, so the Palestinians can’t tolerate a minor Jewish presence? Israel is 20% Arab and it does just fine. Why can’t a peace-loving Palestine be 10% Jewish?

The “settlements” are loved by the Palestinians and contribute over 300 million annual to the West Bank economy. Over 40,000 Palestinians work in the settlements.

Why? Because they get paid and treated better than anywhere else.

Once polling the Palestinians, a majority oppose a ban on settlement construction.

And if you didn’t know, Jews lived in the West Bank before it was called the West Bank (Jordan is the East Bank FYI).

Settlements are a non-issue and this was confirmed in 2000 when Arafat threw out the Camp David Accords even though it provided him a Jew-free Palestine.

And that was 10 years ago.

The longer the Palestinians take to surrender the more land Israel will claim for settlements.

And soon there will be no land left.

And then there will be peace.

“Now, about the billions the USA wastes upon its enemies the Palestinians and Arabs …..”
links? any evidence to support your claim?

Avner Stein says:

36 billion to Iraq

1.5 billion to Egypt

2 billion to Pakistan

6 billion to Afghanistan

100 million to PA (5 billion since 2000)

10 billion spent annually maintaining military bases in muslim states

And then the 200 billion+ of weapons sold to Muslim states since the 1950s, 95 billion to Saudi Arabia alone.

And we have never placed conditions on any muslim state. Egypt continues to support al-shabaab in somalia (17,000 killed since 2006) or the Islamist Arabs murdering Dinkas in Darfur (300,000). Recently the head of the Arab League defended Omar-Al Bashir, and the so-called moderate Palestinian leadership met with him 2 months ago.

Of course the Left doesn’t care…Israel is the problem.

George says:

There are good Jews and bad Jews. I no longer use the “I” word to describe the State of “I”. I reject what Jews did to the Palestinians in the 1930′s and 1940′s. I reject what Jews did in the 1960′s when they built their nuclear arsenal. I reject a country that consists of a majority of Jews. There is not peace in the illegitimate Jewish nation between Arabs and Jews. Arabs are inferior and do not enjoy the same legal rights. We could argue foreign aid forever. The video of Netanyahu is out and will not go back in the bag. Marx was right and about Judaism and Christianity. Religion is rubbish. Maintaining religion will be your downfall.

Avner Stein says:

“There are good Jews and bad Jews. I no longer use the “I” word to describe the State of “I”.

The bad Jews were the communist freaks who worked with stalin and ran concentration camps for soviet dissidents. the bad jews were those who abandoned their jewish identity to prove their fidelity to communism, even persecuting fellow jews.

the bad jews were members of the chekka (KGB) who rounded up zionists and sent them to the gulags. the bad jews were the communists who forced the expulsion of millions of russian jews because life was so unbearable.

as far as the 1930s and 40s, irrelevant. the russian revolution killed over 20 million, 200x the amount of people killed in the 100 years of conflict between the arabs and the jews.

when i see marx wackos attack israel, i laugh – they aren’t on a moral level to even talk about israel.

please go back to your commie hole.

Ralbam says:

Sorry to see this blog degenerate into name calling.

It serves no purpose.

Those of you who are addicted to verbal venom are invited to take deep breath and , slowly, exhale.

Gary Williams says:

Avner. In your attempt to associate individual incidents of authoritarian submission occurring under totalitarian rule with the economic strategy of the state, I note the complete absence of any reference to those that I would think would be first and foremost in your mind….. the Jewish Kapos who worked Hitler’s extermination and work camps.

You are, however, correct that the actions of these people are things we must despise and reject no matter where and under what conditions they occurred under. But you should also know about the research begun after WW2 by people interested in trying to discover if there are any tell-tale signs or commonalities the rest of us can be aware of so proactive steps can be taken in the hope that no such thing as the Holocaust ever happens again.

And the data compiled during those early studies – and in research that is still ongoing and has been confirmed repeatedly ever since – is a strong correlation between those who submit quite readily to the demands of an authority figure (authoritarian submission) and persons who also readily describe themselves as *right-wing* and socially conservative. Yes….it’s absolutely true that left-wing authoritarians also exist, but in the overall big picture – not just your own personal experiences with these creatures, there’s really no question that your remarks should be directed almost solely at right-wingers if they are to reflect the situation more accurately. Or…to put it in the words of Dr. Robert Altemeyer, a man who has been doing this research for over 3 decades and is a leading authority on the subject, “Authoritarians on the left have been as rare as hen’s teeth in my samples”. (quoted in “Political Conservatism As Motivated Social Cognition”, Kruglanski, Jost, et al.)

Avner Stein says:

@Gary

Thanks for ignoring my post. The Jewish capos were Jewish caps. Over 200,000 Jews were killed in pogroms during the Russian Civil War.

Interestingly, many of the Jews turned to Marxism because their fathers before them were persecuted because of their Jewish identity.

But abandoning their Jewish culture to prove fidelity to a communist cause, they believed they would be accepted as equals.

90% of the communist revolutionaries were Jews. Even Lenin had a Jewish grandfather.

Jews chekas were responsible for the murder of the Tsar and his family.

When the communist regime was installed, the Jews participated in some of the worst massacres since the roman-jew war. Millions killed, at least 30 million fellow russian citizens. Jewish KGB practices the worst kinds of torture on thousands of dissidents, some of which were Jews.

Meanwhile, the Zionists were busy planting Jews and trying to acquire a state through diplomacy.

I find it hilarious that communist and marxists say Israel has no right to exist because a couple hundred thousand Arabs were uprooted from their homes.

GUESS WHAT? Over 13 million (yes million) ethnic Europeans were uprooted from their homes in soviet transfers. Over 1,000,000 killed, 1,000,000 raped by the red army.

And this was in the 1940s.

So you tell me which ideology is worse – Communism or Zionism.

Zionist wars – ~50,000 killed in the last 100 years

Communist wars – 100 million killed

LOL

You can compare most ideologies to communism (or even nazism while you’re at it) and say they’re not worse. Of course they’re not worse, that does not make them respectable either.

Rusty says:

Most political experts will tell you that Israel’s is digging its own grave and its end as a Jewish state is very near.

Advocate4Liberty says:

Avner Stein says “because a couple hundred thousand Arabs were uprooted from their homes” and “Over 13 million (yes million) ethnic Europeans were uprooted from their homes in soviet transfers. Over 1,000,000 killed, 1,000,000 raped by the red army”

Not by the Palestinians, of course, but we won’t let that little detail bother us. Since the zionists “only” uprooted “a couple hundred thousand” they must just be the sweetest little darlings. Ok. Let’s all hurl.

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